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« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2012, 01:40:30 pm »
thanks abuanddiego for clearing some of my doubts and confusion  :)
i fully concur to everything you said.

i knew i still lack knowledge about dog care, so i'm glad i didn't accept the puppy when i was being offered.  Whew! ;D

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« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2012, 08:54:50 pm »
sis abuanddiego can you help me? kasi ikaw ang nakikita kong knowledgeable pagdating sa tzus  ;) i have a few questions, but to start, let me give some info about my tzu:

1. I have acquired him a month ago, he was 7 months back then, now he's already 8 months

2. 5 kilos sya a month ago, 4 kilos na lang ngayon, ang hina kasi talaga kumain, nagwoworry tuloy ako kahit pa di na sya bumababa beyond 4 kilos, pero parang napako na yung weight nya dun (I have a tzu din before, he was underweight, at 4 months he weighed below 3 kilos, eventually he died, sabi ng vet one factor daw na underweight sya kaya nagkasakit at namatay, kaya ngayon sobrang worry ako sa bago naming dog)

3. I feed him with Acana, mahina sya kumain, pero kapag ayaw na talaga nya, binibigyan ko ng chicken

Here are my questions:

1. Normal ba ang 4 kilos para sa isang 8 month old na tzu?

2. I'm planning to switch him to RAW feeding, kapag ba sinabing RAW di pinapakuluan, as in huhugasan lang?

3. Do I need to fast him first for 2 days prior to raw feeding?

4. Can you give me a sample "menu" on the first day of our RAW feeding?

Thank you in advance sis  ;)

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« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2012, 02:41:07 am »
hi sis! nagblush naman ako sa sinabi mo hihi! ;D salamat!

ang alam ko, medyo maarte talaga sa pagkain ang mga shih tzus. yung sakin din ganyan nung nakuha ko, 3mos sya nun. hinainan ko na ng Go Natural, homecooked, mixed dogfood and homecooked, pero sa umpisa lang magana then after some days tamilmil na naman. Vitamins lang nagpagana sa kanya, Raffavit. eversince binigyan ko sya nun parati na sya magana kumain. Try mo sis magbigay ng vitamins kasi mas prone talaga sa mga sakit ang small dogs since maliit ang reserbang energy.

To answer your questions:
1. Ang standard weight kasi ng adult tzus: 4.5-8kilos height: 8-11inches, at 8mos., onti na lang ang ilalaki nila so dapat medyo malapit na siya sa standard size (kung standard shih tzu sya) kung nagfall dyan ang weight and size nya, at proportion naman ang katawan, standard or normal shih tzu sya. But since nauso na ang princess type, may mga shih tzus na pwedeng mas maliit sa standard size. Pero para malaman kung nasa normal weight, underweight, or overweight ang dogs, feel the ribs. Pag kinapa tapos buto agad nafeel, payat sya, pag hirap naman kapain at puro laman overweight pero pag may onting laman at nakakapa pa rin ang ribs, nasa normal weight sya. Wag masyado magdepend sa weight, mas maganda kung kapain talaga yung body nila.

2. Yes sis, pag sinabing raw feeding, literal na hilaw ang ibibigay sa kanila, kung pano mo binili sa grocery or market, hugas then freeze then thaw or pwedeng frozen ibibigay.

3. About the fasting, some practice it some do not. Kami kasi once a day lang ang meal, so pag nagbigay ako ng next meal kinabukasan na so automatic na nakapagrest na ang tummy nila kahit di sila magfasting. Eversince ganyan lang ang practice ko at wala naman naging problema, meron lang explosive butts ;D and yellow foamy vomit, which is kind of normal during the first few weeks, since nagaadjust pa ang tummy nila.

4. About the sample menu, for beginners it is best to start with chicken. Chicken lang ang ibigay, meaty parts and not the soup pack or necks. Then wait until maging firm ang stools, then pag naging consecutively firm for 3-4days, pwede ka na magadd ng pork or beef, pero bite size pieces lang muna. then wait again na magfirm ang poop bago dagdagan ang amount. Buy a whole chicken then cut into smaller cuts, pwede na ang fried chicken cuts. Okay na yan during the first month, then little by little add ka ng new meat and organs. To give you an idea, my shih tzu eats around 150-250 grams per day, may chicken, pork, liver, other organs and sometimes fish.

Backread ka lang sis, maraming links, raw feeding calculator, pics sa first page. You can also read this para mas detailed yung info
http://www.facebook.com/groups/261761471359/doc/10150200515531360/
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« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2012, 06:39:00 am »
^naku sis thank you ng marami  ;)

sige, i'll use those infos na binigay mo, salamat ulit!  ;)

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« Reply #64 on: July 03, 2012, 10:15:31 am »
Hi.  Puede na ba ang puppy namin 2months old sa raw feeding? advise please mga sis. thanks in advance.

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« Reply #65 on: July 03, 2012, 02:21:21 pm »
as long as pwede na sa solid food pwede na sa raw feeding, supervision lang naman ang kailangan for first timers to avoid choking. read mo sis mga links for better understanding ;)
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« Reply #66 on: July 03, 2012, 04:26:22 pm »
thanks sis abudiego

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« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2012, 05:04:48 pm »
walang anuman sis  :)
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« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2012, 05:56:08 pm »
^ favorite na barf diet ng furbabies ko ang chicken. Boiled lang siya na may konting salt to taste. Hinihimay ko ng mabuti. Make sure na walang buto, taba or skin. Niluluto pa lang yung chicken nagwawala na sila. Excited for their barf session ^_^.
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« Reply #69 on: July 06, 2012, 12:27:10 am »
^it's nice to know na dumadami tayo dito na nagluluto para sa mga alaga natin. gawain ko rin yan dati.

sis pag barf or raw feeding as in hilaw binibigay, walang lutuan na nangyayare. naiiba na kasi ang composition ng meat pag niluto so hindi na sya considered as BARF (Biologically Appropriate Raw Food or Bones And Raw Food). homecooked meals na yung usual term pag niluluto natin ang food nila :)
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« Reply #70 on: July 07, 2012, 10:13:00 am »
^ thanks po sis abuanddiego. Yun na po yung barf para sa fur babies namin. Hindi pa po namin napatry sa kanila yung Raw talaga Pero masOk nga po siguro yung Raw talaga.
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« Reply #71 on: July 07, 2012, 02:05:22 pm »
^iba kasi sis yung meaning ng barf, raw din sya binibigay pero with veggies and fruits. klaro lang natin para di malito mga readers :)
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« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2012, 08:44:04 am »
sis pwede sa lahat ang raw feeding kasi all dogs are carnivores at ito yung talagang kinakain nila sa wild (wolves). Wolves and dogs share almost the same DNA, balik nature ang drama ng raw feeding kaya walang pinipiling breed dito. To understand better at para mawala mga agam-agam, you have to read all the links, nasa page 1 sis, masasagot lahat nun ang questions mo. By the way, I have a shih tzu and a bulldog magkaiba ng lahi at laki pero parehas sila nakaraw, sa amount lang ng feeding may difference ;)
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« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2012, 03:03:37 am »
Dahil marami ng pet owners ang namumulat sa katotohanan, nagpapanic na ang vets and pet food companies ;D
http://atwork.avma.org/2012/07/18/the-facts-on-avmas-proposed-policy-on-raw-pet-food-diets/

The opposition:
If Your Vet Suddenly Warns You Away from Raw Pet Food, Here's Why
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/09/12/avma-against-raw-food-diet.aspx
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« Reply #75 on: September 06, 2012, 04:30:45 am »
sis abuanddiego, question din. i just started reading about raw feeding, and parang gusto ko na siyang gawin sa jap spitz ko na 2 months old na. ang problema, may mga conflicting views about raw feeding for puppies. may isa na ang sabi dapat medyo ground yung raw meat pag ibibigay sa puppy dahil mother dogs usually pre-digest the food for their young daw. meron namang isa na ang sabi, it's totally okay na buo nang ibibigay ang meat sa puppy. is there any way to resolve this conflict? or meron talagang isa na much better than the other? TIA!

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« Reply #76 on: September 06, 2012, 06:41:14 am »
Hi sis. sa mga sites kasi na napuntahan ko, lahat naman sinabi na okay lang kung whole meat ang ibibigay kahit sa puppies. as soon as nawean na sa milk, safe naman daw to switch kaagad. may nababasa din ako minsan about ground meats. pero sa dami ng sites na nakita ko, hindi naman naging issue yung pagbigay ng whole pieces sa puppies. may iba pa nga whole animal binibigay sa litter, then sabay-sabay sila kakain. iba-iba rin kasi yung types of raw feeding--prey model, frankey prey, etc. nasabi ko na rin to in my previous posts, balikan mo na lang. ang alam kong issue lagi ng first timers is choking eh. at isang solution yung laging sinasabi, give bigger pieces. ang sabi kasi, may aliw, cleaning and exercise factor ang pagchew ng meat and bones. okay naman ang ground meats pero yun nga lang di nila maachieve ng todo yung mga nasabing factors.

actually, natry ko na magbigay ng whole pieces nung maliliit pa mga alaga ko. mga 3mos sila nun at wala naman naging problema, yung aspin 2mos lang ata. kailangan lang talaga is supervision at inaadvice na malaking parts ang ibigay to avoid choking.

yung shih tzu and aspin namin, magaling sila magchew ng meat. kahit sa wings, neck, drumstick, todo nguya sila bago lunukin. minsan tinitear pa nila yung meat bago kainin yung bone. kaya rin nila magself-regulate, aayaw at aalis na pag busog na. pero yung bulldog ko ang problema kasi he doesn't know how to chew. 4yo na sya pero lagi ko pa rin hawak yung meat kasi pag binigay ko lulunukin nya lang tapos isusuka pag di kinaya (kadiri diba). i tried giving him big pieces pero nagsusuka talaga sya. ang gawain kasi nun nilalaro nya yung pagkain pag nilagay ko sa floor,tapos hingal na hingal sya, dahak pa ng dahak. since prone sa heatstroke ang snub breeds, takot ako baka atakihin eh mainit satin compared sa US (dun kasi inaadvice to give whole pieces, or pieces as big as as the dog's head) so madali din macontaminate ang food sa atin so hand-feeding yung nakita kong okay sa kanya. while yung iba pwede ko iwan ng food without worries, siya naman kahit ang laki-laki (22-25kgs) sya yung parang puppy kung kumain. sabi ko nga wala din pala sa size ang galing nila sa raw meat, kasi iba-iba talaga sila ng personality. so as owners, yan yung mas kailangan natin bigyan ng pansin. dapat alamin natin yung ways nila in handling raw meats. hindi rin daw kasi lahat ng dogs alam ang gagawin. so kung hirap at clueless we have to find ways para makakain sila ng maayos, without comprising the benefits of the said factors.

siguro nabasa mo na rin na ang safest to give for first-timers is chicken. pero kung medyo hesitant ka, pwede naman ground meat kaso walang maghohold ng poop so expect na mas messy. for the first few weeks kasi kailangan nila ng mas maraming bone to hold the poop, pero as time goes by kahit konti ang bones, firm pa rin ang stools. ang usual ratio is 80%(meat)-10%(bone)-10%(organs), pero pag bago pa lang, mga 20-30% of bones ang kailangan. a chicken with a bone is fine, wings, leg, thigh, breast  okay yang mga yan for small dogs. pero supervise pa rin, pag hind magchew, hold the meat muna hanggang kagat-kagatin nya. usually natututo naman sila, after some days kaya na kumain mag-isa. expect for loose stools, as in may liquid, minsan may blood and bone pieces pa yan. pero tuloy lang until magfirm ang poop. then pag nagfirm pwede na magadd ng new meat like pork or beef, pero 10% lang muna.  wait for the poop to get firm bago dagdagan ang serving ng new meat.

ganyan lang ginagawa ko sa mga alaga ko at naging okay naman sila sa raw diet. don't forget to add fish oil pala kasi pambalance yan ng omegas. pansin ko sa tzu ko, mas madalas mangati at mas maselan nasa bahay kasi at di nadudumihan. he eats around 250g of meat, tingin ko halos same sila ng amount ng dog mo. noon 1 fishoil capsule lang sya, pero ngayon 2/day na. yan lang nagpapaalis ng kati-kati nya. tingin ko kasi mas mahirap magadjust sa raw feeding ang indoor dogs. dogs need some bacteria daw kasi from the soil to have a better immune system. so kung masyado silang malinis, may tendency na mawindang ang system nila sa raw meats. it happened to my shih tzu, nagkaron sya ng bacterial infection and parasite. same sila ng kinakain for almost a year pero yung bulldog ko wala naman, weird diba.

sorry sis at napahaba, i wanted to share our story kasi para malaman mo yung experience namin since maliit pa sila. then ikaw na bahala magjudge, me ganon? ;D if you have the link pala about giving ground meat to puppies, post mo din dito. check ko ulit baka may namiss din kasi akong info.
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« Reply #77 on: September 06, 2012, 12:45:12 pm »
^ thanks a lot sis abuanddiego... actually kahapon ko pa sinimulan yung spitz ko sa raw diet. IDK kung tama, pero ang ginawa ko kasi, nung bumili ako ng chicken kahapon para kay snowy, pinatadtad ko nang maliliit. then bago ko ibigay, tinatadtad ko pa nang medyo pino (bones and all), kasi sinusubukan ko lang muna kung kakainin niya. kinain naman niya. (yay!)

today tinadtad ko pa rin ulit yung chicken bago ko binigay sa alaga ko, pero hindi na yung sobrang pino. kinain naman ulit niya, and nagchu-chew pa siya lalo sa mga bony parts. ang plano ko, palaki nang palaki ang ipapakain ko sa kanya na meat pieces hanggang sa masanay siya sa entire leg, and eventually sa entire leg quarter. then after a month, saka ko siya i-introduce sa pork. yun. :D

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« Reply #78 on: September 06, 2012, 01:42:31 pm »
^ayun buti kinain. okay naman yan as long as supervise mo sya para di mabilaukan. pansin ko pag medyo mahaba ang nose eh mas magaling kumain ng raw meat. update mo ko sa progress nyo ha :)
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« Reply #79 on: September 06, 2012, 06:36:37 pm »
^ sige balitaan ulit kita after around a week or so. :)

 


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