BARF/ Raw feeding

[hazeru]

^Try moving on to red meats: pork and beef with some fat on it to help the skin condition. Dogs do better on red meat. You could also give him one to two fish oil gel capsules a day.

There's a group on FB dedicated to raw feeding. It's where I got all my information on feeding raw, and it might help you out as well.

Just search for Raw Feeding on FB.

Also, two months is a fairly short time to see results. Try waiting it out for six months.

[anna]

Thanks.  When you feed pork or beef, do you give it straight from the freezer or do you defrost it?  With chicken, i place one week worth of chicken in the chiller section.  When i give the chicken to my dog, it's thawed already.  I'm not sure if i can do the same with red meat.

[hazeru]

I feed frozen. It slows them down so they don't wolf down their food and potentially choke. When I first started (with chicken muna for two weeks), I used to thaw the food first to get my dogs used to tearing off the flesh. Then when they got used to raw, I switched feeding frozen.

Ideally, it's better to feed big food and store what's left in the fridge for the next feeding, but since I have two dogs and a small fridge, I portion my food and freeze them in weird shapes so that the dogs have to work at it.

What I do is portion off the food and store them in sandwich-sized ziploc bags so I can just take out a couple of bags come feeding time. No need to thaw.

[abuanddiego]

Raw food like beef and pork? how about sa veggies kailangan din ba raw? yung nagtitinda sa amin ng dog food ang sabi nya pakainin ko daw ng raw carrots [textspeak!] doggie namin para malinis ang ipin.

Sa pagpapakain ng raw food ilang beses sa isang araw ba dapat pakainin?

Thanks.

hakunamatata, yes anything raw that came from an animal pwede, even bones and organs kasali.
recipes that include raw veggies and fruits is under the barf diet, this diet is different from pure raw diet. I use whole prey or franken prey model, no veggies and fruits, just meat, bones and organs. After doing my research, I became a firm believer that dogs are carnivores so hindi ako nagbibigay ng raw veggies and fruits pag raw feeding. Why? Bec. plant matters and meat digests at different times, mas matagal madigest ang plant matters so pwedeng magkaron ng stomach upset pag pinagsabay sila. Another issue pag may veggies and fruits is that hindi nagiging strong ang acid levels sa tummy nila, so mas prone sila sa parasites pag nakabarf.

I've also asked some rawfeeding experts, hindi rin nila nirecommend ang barf due to same reasons and experiences. at sa aking observation, dogs cannot digest plant matters properly, pag nagpoop andun pa rin. They need to be pulverized for easier digestion bec. dogs don't have enough digestive enzymes to break down plant walls. Whereas pag pure meat, bones and organs madali nila maprocess at minimal ang poop. Walang trace ng kinain kahit bones nadidigest nilang mabuti, except for newbies, nagkakaron ng bone bits sa poop and vomit.

In my experience, veggies do not clean their teeth but chewing bones and meat can help. Yung shih tzu ko madali siya magkatartar, nakahomecooked din kasi siya. What I did was I gave him beef ribs for 30mins within 3 days, ayun biglang luminis ang teeth. May mga naiwan pero mas malinis na compared sa dati. Di ko napicturan yung tartar build up pero picturan ko yung results then post ko. He is turning 4yo this May btw.

Ang feeding depende sa age nila and kung newbie or sanay na. Pag 1-6mos usually 3-4x per day, 7-12mos pwede ng twice daily then pag adults okay na kahit once/day. Pero yung mga adults na newbies split into 2-3 meals kasi pag binigla nagcacanon butt sila-a term for scattered/diarrhea like poop hehe.

You have to read about dog's anatomy and origin para malaman yung reason bakit hindi nila need ng veggies, fruits and carbs. Raw feeding needs a lot of research so read as much as you can and wag basta maniwala sa mga claims. napakainteresting nitong topic, you will learn alot from this diet 
feel free to pm me, I will gladly help those who are interested

[argento]

Dogs are not pure carnivores. Cats are.

[abuanddiego]

^what I know is that they can eat and survive with plant matters but they don't really need it http://rawfed.com/myths/omnivores.html

http://www.animavet.com/feeding-miss-lilly-ch1.html

http://boldraw.tumblr.com/post/2082017171/raw-myths-dispelled-part-i

[argento]

www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/raw-dog-food-dietary-concerns-benefits-and-risks?page=2

[abuanddiego]

Why most people in the medical field are anti raw feeding: usually it is due to salmonella contamination, the fear of nutritional imbalance and loss of profits.
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/09/12/avma-against-raw-food-diet.aspx

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2011/02/15/raw-meat-the-best-and-healthiest-diet-for-pet-cats-and-dogs.aspx

http://www.optimumchoices.com/vet_school_nutrition.htm

http://rawfed.com/myths/vets.html

http://boldraw.tumblr.com/post/811167880/delta-societys-ban-on-raw-fed-service-dogs

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/vet-raw-food-prescription-dog-diet/

http://www.rawlearning.com/

if we have enough and proper knowledge about raw feeding, we cannot be thrown off easily with articles on the net. there are links posted in this topic, anyone can backread for more information. i can also send links if you want to join raw feeding groups

this diet requires a lot of research, time, effort even money, and a lot of scare tactics are used because of the fact that very few are aware about doggie nutrition. and for so many years, we are used to feeding commercial dog food, usually due to convenience and financial reasons, that's why this diet is a new topic for some. Sad to say but we are brainwashed by the dog food company but if we will go back to our pet's anatomy, common sense will tell us that fresh and unaltered food is the best diet for them 

[airwaterfire]

before dumating ang aso ko never talaga pumasok sa isip ko na mag dogfood siya mainly because processed masyado.
kahit na noong di ko pa naisipang mag alaga ng aso. compare dogfood at homecooked, prefer ko parin ang homecooked. so nag research ako ng ideas about raw feeding and since mas convenient ang rf, so doon ako. walang amoy ang poop, walang amoy ang aso ko, amoy-aso lang, lol

[hazeru]

Yeah, I like that about feeding raw. My dogs can go a whole month without baths and they don't stink. Dirty, yes, but no stink.

[abuanddiego]

i couldn't agree more! we can easily tell who's on a raw diet by the way they smell. dog food eaters stink within days after bathing. yung iba kahit anong paligo, di talaga bumabango haha! but because of raw feeding nakatipid kami sa water and grooming bills i wish more people would open their minds, ang daming against about this diet, di pa nga nila natry

[airwaterfire]

May amoy lang pala pag isda at atay pinapakain ko.

Malangsa at mabaho talaga.

[abuanddiego]

^kidney natry mo na? ang panghe amoy ihi hahahaha!

[kabes]

I'm on day 5 na. Kaya lang di kasi ako nagbasa before magstart. Basta I fed him agad pork cubes. Gusto nya naman. After reading nalaman ko na dapat may bones and ideal sa chicken mag start then introduce variety.  Kaya lang I started na with pork so ayun  namili ako ng ribs. Ayaw nya kainin. What I did was spread boiled liver. Yun kasi nakasanayan nya with dog food. Eto sya ngayon, nginangatngat yung ribs. Sana madali kong maintro yung chicken sa kanya.

[hot_chili]

Yung askal namin ayaw din ng raw, nung una parang napipilitan sya kasi yung lhasa apso ko nakita nya sarap na sarap. pero after 2-3 times ayaw kainin na parang nandidiri. yung lhasa apso ko makaamoy lang ng raw meat sa kitchen pag nagluluto ako nagmamadali na yun.

Medyo OT: naginuman sila hubby sa house before yung isang friend nya nagdala ba naman ng asusena and sabi nya pinakain daw yung askal namin ng kalderetang aso. Naku galit na galit talaga ko nun (mostly because pinulutan nila ang kawawang aso and secondly dahil ipapakain pa nya sa aso namin. sya kaya pakainin ko ng tao?) tapos 3 days halos ayaw kumain nung aso para syang nasusuka na ewan, may ganun bang effect pag nakakain or nakasmell sila ng dog meat?

[abuanddiego]

hotchili, oh my god. ayoko ng isipin yan, ask the vet na lang di kaya ng sikmura ko.

may mga dogs na ayaw sa raw kasi di sya ganun kaamoy. tough love lang yan, do the 15min rule kung di kainin alisin then sa next meal na ulit ioffer. pwede nyo rin igalaw-galaw para macurious sila or painitan sandali sa pan for few seconds para lumabas ang aroma. remember that not all dogs are the same, yung iba kailangan ng mahabang pasensya, it's our responsibility as owners kung pano natin sila itatrain kumain ng tama.

kabes, wag mo haluan muna ng liver kasi baka masanay sya, again tough love ang kailangan sa picky eaters. tsaka note sa organs, binibigay sya pag sanay na sa 3 kinds of meat, masyado kasi silang rich, lumalambot poop nila dyan. 5% lang ng meal ang liver yung other 5% secreting organs din like kidney, spleen, pancreas, brain. magintroduce ka ng chicken then dapat one week na solid ang poop bago magadd ng new meat (do it gradually and always observe the poop)

happy raw feeding!

[kabes]

Sis abu, yung boiled liver kasi, dati na nyang food yun with the kibbles, kaya yun yung hanap hanap nya. Unti untiin kong tangalin and iinitin ko ng onti yung meat. Di ko sya pwede tiisin now, may rashes kasi sya from the ticks and fleas, so ginagamot ko pa skin nya. I want him healthy muna before ko sya gamitan nung 15min rule. Syempre gamit ko din yung fishoil.

Ok naman poops nya, mas malambot lang ng konti sa usual. Kasi nga pag bones na ayaw ngatngatin. Pero di naman watery. Buo pa din. Di lang mukhang marbles. hehe

[abuanddiego]

kabes, akala ko you're asking for suggestions on how to introduce chicken kaya nagsabi ako ng tips lol. you know naman what to do, kaya mo yan!

[kabes]

Yes of course! I was gearing on how to feed the bones, kasi yun yung ayaw nya. But I tried yung few seconds cooking to release the aroma, effective naman. Hahaha! Then we tried na chicken kagabi, seems like mas gusto nya. Maybe because mas madali ngatngatin yung buto. Mukhang tamad kasi mag chew tong tzu ko. hehe... Next week will be fish naman.

Excited. Di nga sya mabaho dati kasi 2x a week sya bath. Now sched nya na for bathing, pero ang bango nga pa din.

[abuanddiego]

kabes, some dogs are just clueless with raw meat, lalo yung nasanay sa dogfood, iba kasi ang texture and scent. Kailangan lang ng onting motivation, pwedeng ilure sila by shaking the meat. May isa akong shih tzu na PG, kahit ano kinakain pero nung raw chicken binigay ko di pinansin. Pero pag tagal natuto na rin sya kumain.

When offering a new protein, make sure na 1 week firm ang poop sa old protein. Then offer the new protein gradually, iba-iba kasi tolerance nila sa meat. Sa tingin ko mas okay ng dahan-dahanin sila kesa magcanon butt. Ang hirap kaya maglinis ng poop na sabog hahaha!

Yup yung amoy nila pag nakaraw is really amazing kasi di sila amoy aso. kahit yung bulldog ko na may distinct scent kahit ginamitan ko na ng mabangong shampoo, wala pa ring amoy kahit one month ng di naliligo. Raw feeding requires much effort than commercial dogfood pero ang benefits wala akong masabi, sulit lahat ng gastos at pagod sa pagprepare ng food nila.