SOGIE Bill Discussion

[kvandenhaak]

As per request, let's discuss this issue here point by point. It's controversial and very polarizing so let cooler heads prevail, be respectful...you know the drill!

[marge070407]

I love my LGBT friends pero masyado naman feeling entitled yung bill na yan. Nakakaapak na din sa rights ng ibang gender.

[lilu]

Ano kayang masasabi ng GABRIELA org dito? Advocate pa naman sila ng Women's  Issues. Slogan pa man din nila ay "Babae, Bata, Bayan.. tuloy ang Laban!" Eh sa Sogie Bill, mukhang masasagasaan ang Babae at Bata jan. Hmmp 🤔

May napanuod akong vid about sa interview ng 1st District Rep ng Bataan, transgender Geraldine Roman kasama nya pa si Teri Onor. Sabi nya, ito quote ko lang, "If you have a problem, magtiis ka!" Regarding ito sa banyo. Hahaha And I remember may sinabi yung Janitress nung nagkita sila ni Geraldine, sinabihan sya ng "Shut up" at hindi pinakinggan...

[Acetylcholine]

Tapos sasabihin nila na homophobe ang mga opposed nito naisip ba nila yung religion na masasagasaan nila.


Tsaka ang haba haba ng pila sa cr ng babae! Though sogie bill is not all about c.r lang naloka lang ako sa scopes and limitations ng bill hindi na explain lalo na dun sa may parental

[Len0523]

May mga gusto rin ako malinawan sa SOGIE BILL, pano ang INC there is no way na maghihire nga sila ng teachers sa NEW ERA - so they will be punished by LAW? Pano sa St. Paul, exclusive sa mga babae by birth? Hindi tinanggap ang trans --- they will be punished by Law? Pano kung naghire ako ng yaya gusto talaga babae kase para sa anak kong babae -- nireject ko yung trans, I'll be punished by Law? Sa CR to be honest, kung hindi ko naman asawa or kapamilya hindi ako comfortable maki-share sa CR lalo strangers sila!

Paano na nga yung kantang" whenever I see girls and boys selling lanterns on the street? Isasama na ba natin yung bakla tomboy at trans? Para equal?

Sa mga sports, lalake ka pa rin naman sila to begin with --- tapos sila kalaban mo?

Pag sinabi ba sa isang hospital or clinic na bakla sila hindi na sila tatanggapin or entertain?

[kvandenhaak]

What I really want to know is what exactly in the bill. Ang sakit kasi sa ulo magbasa ng sobrang haba...LOL! There's SOGIE law in Canada now. It's a mess. Ang maganda lang sa mga Pinoy, you guys aren't scared to speak at kakaunti lang ang mga SJWs.

[twelvth_goddess]

Same question with sis Len0523. My daughter goes to a traditional and exclusive girls for school. So pag gusto ni trans mag aral don and hinde payagan, ide demanda ang school??

[kvandenhaak]

^Using other countries as a guide, the school CANNOT deny trans women of acceptance or the school will be fined or dragged in the court.

Ang tanong is what is the criteria for trans to be recognized as women in that particular bill? Registration lang ba or they will have to prove they have already done necessary steps to transition.

Ang gulo nyan! In North America, a lot of women are losing sports scholarships because transwomen (na ang lalaki ng muscles) are dominating sports. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMWNCr1M8Jc

Welcome to Wonderland!

[twelvth_goddess]

^Wow, on that basis alone, it's a HARD NO for me. Grabe ah.

On Gretchen Diez, lumabas yung issues nya with Convergys before. My brother used to work with him/her and may harassment case pala sya dati don sa sleeping quarters.

[chicafabulosa]

I have a lot of LGBT friends. But in this case its a NO for me. They are not asking for equality but SUPERIORITY na. If di sila mapagbigyan, demanda agad gagawin nila? Paano naman ang rights natin na by birth right eh babae talaga tayo? Isa pa yang trans na si cong. roman, aba aba bakit kame ang magtitiis? Eh by birth right nga BABAE kame. i am not comfortable with that idea na sila eh kasama natin sa isang CR. Have you heard this incident that a Canadian Waxing salon was shutdown because the Trans Advocate was refused for a service about his testicles?

https://www.thepeoplesledger.com/canadian-salon-shut-down-after-refusing-to-wax-trans-womans-male-private-parts/

For me, parang halos sexual abuse na yung ginawa ni Yaniv kay Marcia of that Canadian Salon. And that Yaniv has issues before of sexual predation of underage girls

https://womenarehuman.com/male-transgender-trans-activist-called-out-for-years-of-sexual-predation-against-adolescent-girls-jonathan-jessica-yaniv/

So ganun din gagawin dito sa atin? Kawawa mga businesses and the likes na tatamaan ng bill na to. And bakit ba ayaw na lang nila sa sina suggest na sariling CR nila? Ano bang issue dun? Bakit nila ipagsisiksikan sarili nila sa CR ng mga babae. Kung di rin sila comfortable sa CR ng mga lalaki, eh ayun na lang ang pinaka the best na solution eh. Buti pa si Vice nakakaintindi na ang pinaka the best is to have their own cr na lang. para nga naman win win situation for all of us

https://youtu.be/s2gbCBmEA0Y

[twelvth_goddess]

^Yup, they're aiming for superiority and not equality. Abusado mga yan.

[Acetylcholine]

Ang ironic lang na gusto nila pumasok sa school exclusive for girls eh, mostly strict catholic school ayaw nga nila maniwala sa bible ek ek.

[kvandenhaak]

^Unfortunately, in other countries that is already happening. Private religious schools and Universities said they are welcome to attend there but they cannot allow students to have a group IN the campus that promotes gay lifestyle for obvious reasons. Well, they are suing these schools. I am like, "You already know their beliefs so what's preventing you from going to a non-religious school?"

[stephyes89]

Have you seen the facebook post regarding Gretchen Diez? May issue pala yan sya dati pa sa Convergys Glorietta 5.

[kvandenhaak]

^Oooh, so there! Manyakis din pala!

[Acetylcholine]

^exactly! Sis Kvan, why sa mga religious school? Meron naman non sectarian right then ang hirap pala dyan dahil may k sila na idemanda school because feeling nila naaapakan rights nila.

[chicafabulosa]

Ang ironic lang na gusto nila pumasok sa school exclusive for girls eh, mostly strict catholic school ayaw nga nila maniwala sa bible ek ek.

HS I cam e from all girls school. I dont think I will be comfortable sharing shower after practice namin sa kanila. Lets face it sa lockers namin pag all girls, kebs namin kung naka bra at panty kame. Syempre if may trans dun, dyahe. Uwi na lang siguro ako na pawisan at mabaho.

Yes ive read nga may complaint daw kay Diez sa dati nya na work.

[thebratinella]

Naalala ko tuloy yung mga nabasa ko na tumanggi yung bakeshop and events place abroad to provide cakes/services for same sex marriage ceremonies. They ended up getting bashed. Sana respect yung beliefs din ng iba.

[stephyes89]

^Oooh, so there! Manyakis din pala!

Not just manyakis. Nagnakaw din then nag AWOL.

[kvandenhaak]

Blessing in disguise na rin yung Gretchen incident kasi if not for that eh di sana naipasa ang bill without the people scrutinizing it.

Naalala ko tuloy yung mga nabasa ko na tumanggi yung bakeshop and events place abroad to provide cakes/services for same sex marriage ceremonies. They ended up getting bashed. Sana respect yung beliefs din ng iba.

Apparently, the real story is that the gay couple approached several bakers and they were entertained. But for whatever reason, they decided to look for other baker. Nagkataon that the couple daw are conservative Christians. They were entertained naman daw, dun lang nagkaron ng problema sa gustong ipasulat sa cake. So basically, they were fishing for it. And that is just one couple who managed to create a lot of buzz in the internet. So, etong is Gretchen I am wondering. Ilang CR kaya ang pinuntahan nya ng walang problema and finally a perfect situation.