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astarte

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #500 on: March 03, 2018, 02:39:58 pm »
Subscribing to this thread. Backread mode muna ko kasi baka may previous input na or same case na married to a gay husband. I just read articles online lang muna since malaking budget ang maiinvolve for sure and mag isa lang naman ako sa laban na yun hehe. Ako lang naman ang may pangarap na ikasal ulit at magkaron ng normal life and family kung papalarin. Syempre on his part di na yun mag aasawa ulit kaya wala ng pakialam sa annulment or kung ano mang legal hiwalayan matters sa pilipinas unless maapprove ang same gender marriage dito ayun pwede na sya mag asawa at pakasal ulit. Hayyy!

amethyst028

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #501 on: March 03, 2018, 05:41:36 pm »
^yikes saklap naman niyan sis.

For me sana matuloy na ang law na ito para tuluyan na maging malaya ang mga gustong lumaya. Madami nang lawyers ang yumaman dahil sa annulment. I have a lawyer friend sabi niya pag may na refer daw ako sa kanya sa annulment may referral fee ako. Kaloka. Hehe!

May nabasa akong mga comments nung may nag post about this proposed bill sa fb. Medyo polarizinng ang mga views. Yung iba nagsasabi na ayaw nila sa divorce kasi dadami daw ang mga hiwalayan. Hindi naman yung law ang may kasalanan bakit naghihiwalay ang mag asawa.

mysterioza_me

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #502 on: March 03, 2018, 09:47:56 pm »
^Lol di pa naman approved ang divorce bill ngayon pero andami ng hiwalay. Daming Pinoy na ipokrito.

kvandenhaak

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #503 on: March 04, 2018, 04:47:07 am »
Why assume that many will separate and why is it their problem? If they want to work on their relationship then good for them. But some people can't and should not. Why deprive them of the chance to be free and happy?

mysterioza_me

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #504 on: March 04, 2018, 04:53:35 am »
^True sis. Divorce is not for everyone. Kung masaya kayo sa marriage ninyo e di wag magdivorce pero yung iba na hindi na talaga nila ma-workout ang relationship e hayaan nila na magkaroon ng ibang option maliban sa annulment at legal separation.

Tama ang sinabi ni sis amethyst hindi naman yung law ang may kasalanan kung bakit may naghihiwalay. May divorce man o wala may maghihiwalay at maghihiwalay pa din.

marge070407

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #505 on: March 20, 2018, 01:22:00 pm »
For me implement ang divorce sa mga nagcivil wedding.  Tapos yung nagpakasal naman sa religious/church wedding walang divorce. Para fair hehe. Kasi talagang against talaga sa church dahil may wedding vows tayo. 
Mahabang usapin talaga ang divorce bill baka kasi abusuhin ng mga tao. Sa US may mga babae na ginawa ng trabaho ang magpakasal sa mayaman tapos ididivorce para magkapera tapos magpapakasal ulit sa iba.

mysterioza_me

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #506 on: March 20, 2018, 01:59:20 pm »
^Thats not fair. Paano yung kasal sa church pero inaabuso? Or iniwan at pinagtaksilan tapos walang support na natatanggap. Yung iba gusto lumaban pero yung iba mas gusto nalang pamigay asawa nila. Give them a choice and a chance to start a new life. If they want to stick with the marriage let them be pero kung ayaw na dahil abusong-abuso na sila hayaan na. Promises are meant to be broken. Change is constant. Tutupad ka ba sa pangako at sumpaan kahit sukang-suka ka na. Hindi din naman gusto ni God na nagsa-suffer ang tao. Maiksi lang ang buhay kaya try to be happy na lang.

Saka may divorce man o wala may hiwalay pa din. Wala naman mahigpit na batas na nakakapigil sa mag-asawa na maghiwalay. Sa papel na lang kasal
pero may kanya-kanya ng pamilya.

Evolet027

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #507 on: March 20, 2018, 05:47:57 pm »
Church wedding ako and stuck sa unhappy marriage. Divorce should be for all.  Tama ang ibang commenters dito, may divorce or wala, may mga unhappy marriages pa din, be it church or civil. Walang pinagkaiba.  ;)


Rory_Lorelie_Gilmore

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #508 on: March 20, 2018, 09:42:26 pm »
GMA News
Yesterday at 1:11pm ?
JUST IN: With a vote of 134-57-2, House approves divorce bill on final reading. | via Erwin Colcol/GMA News Online http://bit.ly/2G2THsC

Yass to Divorce implementation in Pinas, sorry pero napaka rampant satin ng dysfunctional marriages/family, it's about time for Pete's sake. 

kvandenhaak

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #509 on: March 20, 2018, 09:58:58 pm »
For me implement ang divorce sa mga nagcivil wedding.  Tapos yung nagpakasal naman sa religious/church wedding walang divorce. Para fair hehe. Kasi talagang against talaga sa church dahil may wedding vows tayo. 
Mahabang usapin talaga ang divorce bill baka kasi abusuhin ng mga tao. Sa US may mga babae na ginawa ng trabaho ang magpakasal sa mayaman tapos ididivorce para magkapera tapos magpapakasal ulit sa iba.

Ang daming mga wives in Christian community that are abused. Even in countries like Canada, they don't right away get divorce because of the belief that once you got married, it's for life. So if you are abused, you just have to take the abuse. And that is not even close to what God's will on what marriage is about. If you're abused and abandoned, you are given the chance to move on. I have done a LOT of research about this because I was in the same situation. In the end, I had peace when I finally decided to end the marriage.

lalee888

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #510 on: March 20, 2018, 10:53:02 pm »
Joining this conversation.  Pero side comment muna. Sana may "like" feature dito sa GT like in other foreign forums para we can "like" a post. Wala lang.

Very passionately opinionated ang thread nato. Want to share my two cents though:

- Divorce should be taken objectively: a legal separation of two previously married couples, for whatever reason the two don't want to be together anymore

- There are cases wherein divorce outcomes are not favorable to either party, some cases are common, and some are anecdotal -- like yung post earlier na yung aunt nya will not benefit from a divorce kasi sya yung mas financially invested than the husband. But that's an anecdote and unique to that person.

- Just because it doesn't work in her favor (the aunt) doesn't mean it won't work for a TON of other people who need divorce as an option. Plus, divorce proceedings are taken case to case with lawyers to represent each party's best interest. When the aunt married the lazy guy -- she agreed to take him for better or for worse, in all his laziness and all that. When they separate sa divorce, she now has to pay the price for taking in this man's "for worse" side. Multi-millionaire pala sya, so she can then use her resources to hire the best lawyers to prove na hindi deserving ang spouse nya sa required half ng law. That "half" share requirement was put in place as a law with the BEST interest of BOTH parties -- there is no surefire and foolproof way to "calculate" emotional investment, support investment, or financial investment two people make in a CONJOINED arrangement. If the wife was a stay at home mom and dad worked all his life. Wife cheated so dad want a divorce -- dad will say sya lang nagwork so dapat sa kanya lahat. Hindi yata tama yun, even if the mom cheated, she still contributed to their union, ang MAHAL ng cost ng stay at home mom. She also gave up her career and income opportunity for the family. My point is, the essence of the law na 50-50 is to ensure all types of investments in a legal relationship are accounted for.

- Divorce is a means to correct a mistake (mistakenly married a person we are not compatible with). And every MISTAKE has a price. In that anecdotal story, the price is high. You made your bed, so lay on it, ika nga.

- That mistake can easily be avoided by having a signed Pre-Nuptial Agreement. Before you ladies take out your pitchforks to condemn this idea, a Pre-Nup works both ways: protects all parties. You don't have to sign Pre-Nup terms YOU don't like. Make sure the terms are suitable to you -- like in the event of a divorce, man has to provide alimony in the amount of X multiplied by 10% increase each year, for each child). May mga ignorant people kasi akala ang pre-nup eh para sa lalaki lang. Eh pano pag yung girl ang mas may pera? Or pano if yung pre-nup is to guarantee the girl will be cared for in the event hindi mag-work ang marriage?

- Let's separate LEGAL and MORAL beliefs here. Religious/faith reasons are PERSONAL and SPIRITUAL way of living. You can get a priest's blessing or God's blessing even without PAPERS. The CIVIL marriage, is a LEGAL recognition of authority you are giving the other person in your life. Example: you are giving birth in the hospital, C-section, naka anaesthesia ka, and complications are forcing the doctor to choose whether to save the mom or the baby. Who will make that decision? THE LEGAL HUSBAND, not YOUR parents unless you signed an affidavit or the parents carry a Special Power of Attorney. Now think of that same arrangement in all other decisive actions in life. So with divorce, this removes the other person the RIGHTS and AUTHORITY to act with or on your behalf.

- Before getting married, the ONUS is on each individual to choose their partner wisely. If you don't want a messy divorce, or heck NO DIVORCE at all, then choose someone you are really compatible with. If you think you chose right, there's no need for pre-nuptial agreements. If you think you both chose right but have a lot of complicated assets (like inheritances, etc) - then do a pre-nup, not about divorce, but about those assets ("property in Alabang will always stay in the female bloodline/lineage for 100years, and can not be sold).

- The laws are there, to be use when needed. That doesn't mean EVERYONE will need them.

I wrote a wall of text again. But this topic hits very close to home -- i'm happily married, but see so many unhappy marriages that are clearly a mismatch or done out of 'convenience, deceit or trickery, or desperation' they need an out. Unhappy people create unhappy homes, create unhappy societies, create unhappy worlds.

lalee888

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #511 on: March 20, 2018, 10:57:31 pm »
Ang daming mga wives in Christian community that are abused. Even in countries like Canada, they don't right away get divorce because of the belief that once you got married, it's for life. So if you are abused, you just have to take the abuse. And that is not even close to what God's will on what marriage is about. If you're abused and abandoned, you are given the chance to move on. I have done a LOT of research about this because I was in the same situation. In the end, I had peace when I finally decided to end the marriage.

hay naku sis. Amen. I'm a Catholic and practice my faith. Pero di ako t****. I use my mind. I always believe RELIGION is a form of oppression used to brainwash people to believe in something.

YES, GOD WANTS US TO PARTNER UP AND WORK HARD FOR OUR MARRIAGE. That means, choosing the right person to love and work with. They make it sound as though God's "laws" are LITERAL. God simply does not want humans to be philandering and not having emotional investments, hindi literal WAG maghiwalay. Eh if lahat ginawa mo na, di talaga kayo match eh?? Jusko Lord.

gab54

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #512 on: March 21, 2018, 12:43:53 am »
Im a devout Christian, but personally Im in favor of divorce law. Thats bec I see most Filipinos dont let a marriage contract stop them from doing what they want anyway. But sana pwede lang ang divorce is mutually agreed. Ex sa case ng aunt ni HAYLEELOVE, kung ayaw ni aunt hindi pwede. Sa marriage, kelangan ginusto ng 2 parties bago matupad, sa divorce I feel dapat ganun din.

otra_vez

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #513 on: March 21, 2018, 09:05:06 am »
if i'm not mistaken, the philippines is the only country in the world right now where divorce is not legal. the other one is the vatican city, so that sort of tells you everything you need to know.  i think it says a lot about a country when it does not implement a  (nearly) universally accepted act or law. it's like being in a country of flat-earthers or people who don't believe in vaccines. (hey Americans, hey.) :D

i'm pro-divorce because marriage is hard work and a lot of times, people who sign up for it don't really know what they're getting into. a lot of marriages happen when people are young and like they say, our brains are not fully formed until we hit our late 20s. a lot of marriages, especially in The Philippines happen between people who are too young to truly understand the commitment they're making. and even then, even after you've hit true adulthood, you still have a lot of things you don't know for sure. also, it's not really fair that priests can abandon priesthood but regular folks can't dissolve their marriages. so sila lang ang puwedeng tumalikod sa mga pinangakuan nila? unfair! i'm Catholic and all and i love being a Catholic but dang it, Christianity is truly sadistic, if you think about it.

legally, again if i'm not mistaken, it's a long road for divorce to be enacted in The Philippines because it needs some constitutional amendment or whatever. mahabang process for something that's long overdue in the first place.

dismembered

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #514 on: March 26, 2018, 01:25:46 pm »
To be fair, what if i-allow ang divorce sa batas pero hindi na payagan or allowed ang mga divorced to get married sa mga simbahan since sila naman ang hindi pabor sa divorce at for them eh kasal pa din talaga sila dati?

If ayaw or hindi pabor ang simbahan, eh di wag nila ikasal ang mga divorced na sa kanila. Since meron naman yata silang record ng mga kasal sa simbahan? Di ba meron pa nga sila sinasabi na pag kasal ka sa civil, iba pa yun sa kasal sa simbahan. Pero pag kasal ka sa simbahan, kasal ka na rin legally. So kung withhold na lang kaya nila yung ganyan para maayos na?

May batas ba tayo na against sa ganito if ayaw ikasal ng simbahan ang mga previously divorced na?

plumpolka

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #515 on: March 26, 2018, 06:05:53 pm »
honestly, tingin ko dapat walang say ang simbahan sa divorce kasi never naman nila naexperience ang marriage. kung may divorce lang sana, edi sana hindi na na-chop chop nung mister yung bungangera nyang misis.  ;D


siguro dapat strict lang sila sa totoong intention para mag divorce

dismembered

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #516 on: March 26, 2018, 06:41:50 pm »
^ Like what I've said, tutal simbahan ang nagkakasal sa ibang marriage, eh di wag nila ikasal kung ayaw nila katulad ng ibang Priest na hindi or tumatanggi sa ibang kasal if hindi pasok sa conditions/qualifications ang couple. Pwede nila gawin yun within simbahan kung ayaw talaga nila ng divorce. That way di na sila makikielam sa implementation ng batas.

argento

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #517 on: March 28, 2018, 11:32:18 pm »
kalokohan yang divorce  ;)

sarsingkit

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #518 on: March 30, 2018, 11:18:41 pm »
I think here is Canada, kahit may divorce eh hindi ka pa din ikasal sa simbahan for the second time. I think lang ha, hindi ko sure.

young_maiden

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Re: Divorce in the Philippines
« Reply #519 on: March 31, 2018, 08:23:54 am »
^ sis. Dyan sa canada ba, kailangan both consent ng mag-asawa kunin para magrant ang divorce?

May pinsan kasi ako dyan. Matagal na nya gusto i-divorce asawa nya kaso yung latter ayaw pirmahan ang divorce papers. Parang unfair naman sa pinsan ko yun.

 

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