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janachen

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #200 on: October 20, 2016, 11:12:34 pm »
Nakakakaba ang ginawa ni Duterte. Sinabi nyang kakalas na sa USA. Ilang days nalang bago mag-election sa US at kahit sino kina Trump at Hilary ang mananalo hindi magiging ok.

Mabuti na yung bago magpalit ng administrasyon sa US, nakawala na tyo ng konti.

itcha123

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #201 on: October 21, 2016, 05:24:17 am »
Lahat nangangapa sa ginawa ni president. Pero di ba sabi ni Putin if you vote Hillary you will declare war. Hindi ba si Obama ang nag create ng ISIS? Parang balewala lang sa UN?

Cher_Y

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #202 on: October 21, 2016, 06:58:13 am »
Lahat nangangapa sa ginawa ni president. Pero di ba sabi ni Putin if you vote Hillary you will declare war. Hindi ba si Obama ang nag create ng ISIS? Parang balewala lang sa UN?

At kaninong Komunista mu naman nabasa na si Obama ang create ng ISIS?

etxetera

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #203 on: October 21, 2016, 08:21:08 am »
Talagang bye bye US - san kaya tayo dadalhin ng mga taktikang ito ni Digong


I wonder how his statement will affect ang mga Pinoy na nasa US

Giri

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #204 on: October 21, 2016, 08:48:22 am »
Hinay hinay dapat si  President Digong sa USA issue. Ang daming call centers sa bansa. Maraming USA companies sa bansa. Paano kung magsara mga companies na ito? Madaming mawawalan ng trabaho. Paano din mga Pinoy na nakatira sa USA?  May mga USA products din tayo na ginagamit.

USA directly creating ISIS is not accurate.
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itcha123

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #205 on: October 21, 2016, 09:08:48 am »
Hindi na naman secret ang pag create ng US ng ISIS group, parang nung ginawa rin nila ang Taliban group di ba? And ang war sa Russia, bakit ang Russia kampi sa government and yung mga terorrist group ang kinampihan ng US?

Giri

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #206 on: October 21, 2016, 09:20:48 am »
Hindi na naman secret ang pag create ng US ng ISIS group, parang nung ginawa rin nila ang Taliban group di ba? And ang war sa Russia, bakit ang Russia kampi sa government and yung mga terorrist group ang kinampihan ng US?

USA did not directly created ISIS.  Maraming magagandang sagot dito sa Quora.

Giri

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #207 on: October 21, 2016, 09:50:46 am »
"America does not control our lives."  -Duterte

But China control us. Hindi nga tayo makapalag sa pag bully sa atin ng China. Sabi nung iba hindi daw tayo naging mayamang bansa being an allied of USA. Pero hindi naman sa alyansa lang iyan. Ang daming corrupt sa Pinas. Iyung mga bansa na allied ng USA na gaya ng Japan at saka South Korea ay umunlad.
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ToughEmpress

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #208 on: October 21, 2016, 10:23:20 am »
Observe mode here now that Duterte declares separation with the US. I really hope he knows what he's doing. For me, if he really hate US okay lang to separate but tying up with China and planning to have talks with Russia...I don't know.

itzzmeeh

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #209 on: October 21, 2016, 10:32:19 am »
Enjoyed reading Sass Rogando Sasot on FB. Madami siyang insights about geopolitical moves ni PDuterte.

dismembered

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #210 on: October 21, 2016, 11:45:23 am »
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Hinay hinay dapat si  President Digong sa USA issue. Ang daming call centers sa bansa. Maraming USA companies sa bansa. Paano kung magsara mga companies na ito? Madaming mawawalan ng trabaho. Paano din mga Pinoy na nakatira sa USA?  May mga USA products din tayo na ginagamit.

I don't think US companies will be thrown away or will be forced to leave this country kapag nangyari yun. Mas marami ngang US companies ang nag ooperate sa China. Hello IPhone? Nag invest ang US companies at iba pa dito sa Pinas because sa nakikita nilang opportunities, not dahil sa gusto lang nilang "tumulong" at dahil allied sila. Sa ngayon, nothing to be worried about.

Filipinos in the US I don't think kailangan din nila maging worried. Bakit i-deport ba sila kapag hindi na allied? Marami din namang chinese dun pero I don't think may ginagawa sa kanila if meron medyong tension between their country and the US.

eeyore91833

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #211 on: October 21, 2016, 11:48:08 am »
Not knowledgeable about the history of politics and technecalities of it all.
However, I believe that Duterte's actions are all for the long term. His office just needs to communicate these plans and WHY they are doing such.
Kulang ng communication eh. Let's give his administration a chance. It's somehow true that we've been allies with the US for so long pero where are we now. Still so far behind. Yes they help and give aide but other countries do that too. How different are they from other countries who give help?
We should be looking at partnerships and find opportunities elsewhere if the US cannot give that. We should not be tied to just one country. Like a normal person continuously seeking for different employers because of the opportunities there are ganun din strategy niya. That's how I see it.
Sa drugs naman, maybe he is asking help from the Chinese government to support him kasi nga nasa China ang source.

Just my two cents...

Cher_Y

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #212 on: October 21, 2016, 12:04:29 pm »
USA did not directly created ISIS.  Maraming magagandang sagot dito sa Quora.

They did not directly created it but they are so careless in creating the opposition against Asad forces that they don't care if the rebels that are receiving the weapons are selling it to ISIS.

The truth is USA foreign policy in Syria to contain Russia is a total disaster.

But all this talk that the US will use the Philippines to wage 3rd World War is all rubbish conspiracy crackpot.

There are legit reasons to criticize the US but creating conspiracy rubbish does not help anyone nor prove a point to any side


The Anti US group has been inconsistent some say that the reason to shift away from the USA is because the US will not go to war against China to defend the Philippines

Others say the US will wage war againts China because of the Philippines

so ano ba talaga?

And what about the NPA? and Communism/Socialism and that ideological shift sa China handa na ba talaga mga Pilipino diyan sigurado ba kayo na hindi tayo babalahurain ng China?

Kung ngayon pa nga lang na mid size power pa lang China nag bubully na sila ng Bansa sa affrica at nagnanakaw na fisher man nila as far as Argentina what more kung maging tunay na world power sila?

There are legit reasons to be cautious against China.

I am not against dealing with China it will be better if we have an amicable relationship with them but they have to respect as too ngayon sila pa magbibigay ng condition kung paano tayo makakapag fish sa ating sariling teritoryo so I don't think cutting ties with the US and other Allies is a good strategy the more you limit your international relations the more you lose leverage.

Ang hirap kasi sa iba hindi makapag isip ng critical ang ibabanat na agad sayo Yellowtard at kung ano ano kesa alagad daw ni Panot.

kaya minsan nakaka walang gana pag usapan tong mga issue na ito kasi yung iba sobrang wala na sa lugar mga pinag popost to the point some are even excusing China's action Its okay to defend the pressident's decision and let him say good things about China that is his Job as diplomat the negotiate with the Chinese.

But do you really think Duterte trusts the Chinese like that? What I am saying okay there may be good reasons for Dutertes China Policy but it does not make the Chinese free from criticism and the policy free from scrutiny.

Ang hirap kasi sa Politics pataasan lang ng Ihi...

dismembered

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #213 on: October 21, 2016, 02:16:48 pm »
^ I like and I agree with your insights. In the end, dapat sa Country ang loyalty natin not to any politicians.

I'm not anti-US. I love US actually. Medyo hindi ko gusto ang culture ng mga kilala kong "Chinese" and hindi ko din gusto ang ilang policies ng government nila. I'm more like sige lang, kunin natin ang opportunities na makakatulong sa atin sa "China" but filter out at wag natin dalhin ang hindi makakabuti. For US, I know na hindi sila totally mawawala sana lang, hindi rin sila gumawa ng action, na mag help ng political unrest sa bansa natin like what they did sa ibang bansa. Gusto ko ng neutral alliances sa lahat ng makakatulong na bansa. Ayokong maging dependent tayo as a country sa iisa lang or what.

Cher_Y

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« Reply #214 on: October 21, 2016, 03:59:08 pm »
^ I like and I agree with your insights. In the end, dapat sa Country ang loyalty natin not to any politicians.

I'm not anti-US. I love US actually. Medyo hindi ko gusto ang culture ng mga kilala kong "Chinese" and hindi ko din gusto ang ilang policies ng government nila. I'm more like sige lang, kunin natin ang opportunities na makakatulong sa atin sa "China" but filter out at wag natin dalhin ang hindi makakabuti. For US, I know na hindi sila totally mawawala sana lang, hindi rin sila gumawa ng action, na mag help ng political unrest sa bansa natin like what they did sa ibang bansa. Gusto ko ng neutral alliances sa lahat ng makakatulong na bansa. Ayokong maging dependent tayo as a country sa iisa lang or what.

Ito lang saakin I just don't think it is safe for the Philippines to abandon all ties with our old allies like the USA just for the sake of appeasing the Chinese who we have yet to see if they will deliver on their promises on a non aggressive stance.

Some people say wag tayo kampi Amerika kasi baka mang gera sila madamay tayo..

Eh paano kung kumampi na tayo ngayon sa China tapos China ang mag simula ng Gera..

I remember my History class the Japanese have a plan for Asians the Japanese believed they are the benevolent one and I think they are also sincere in their plans at first so in the late 1930s they envisioned this prosperous Asia for Asians and they want to drive away the Americans and British they said the Filipios are their lost brothers but they end up raping our women and starving our men to death and working them to death.

And they got two Atomic bombs for all their troubles.

But as you can see Prime Minister Abe is not bashing the Americans every chance he gets for the fire bombings and two attomic bombs which killed Hundreds of thousands of Women and Children.

Are the Americans benevolent no,are the Japanese no, the Chinese hhmn I think no.  The Chinese could not even give their Citizens proper equality they put poison on their babies milk why would we think they will treat us any better? 

A better question are we Filipinos benevolent maybe before we make relations with any country we should look at our selves as Nation and think why are we in this deep mess. 

Actually the Chinese taking Islands from the Philippines is not the biggest threat we face.

We have the MILF,Abu Sayaff, former NPA in the cabinet positions that was appointed by press. Duterte, Mayors who are involved in Drug dealing, Nonoy Aquino who did not fix the power crisis and instead recommended that we use Generators in our offices and so on and so on.

Now look how divided our own people both sides are now threatening violence on social media, harassing the media, telling people they should get raped.

Weather we like it or not this is what is happening in our country right now look how some of the Duterte Supporters turned against Fidel Ramos calling him amboy, matandang ulol and what not, do they even know who is Fidel Ramos? He served in the Korean War defending democracy from the invading Chinese and North Korean Communist and now people are saying it is the United states fault that Korea is divided and that Ramos is a paid soldier for the Americans and that China are the good guys in the Korean war..

I mean China who supported the Kim Sung ill and family I mean do this people really believe that really?

If the USA is so bad why so many Filipinos have immigrated there and some even became successful oh they will say those Pinoys are traitors they hate being Filipino that is why they moved there they are treasonous.

Again do those people really believe that really? The very same people who put pressure on the US government to send more aid to the Philippines who sends half their salary to help their families here in the Philippines which eventually supports the economy here thru taxes and providing employment if they can set up a small business. And now they are the traitors?

So now who are those with crab mentality? 

To be clear I don't hate the Chinese I actually admire them and all their accomplishments in the ancient times and Present, but we need to take into consideration that the current Chinese form of totalitarian government will not be a healthy model for the Philippines specially if we are going to bash our old partners in the region and our allies far away like the US and E.U.

I hope the Chinese comes to their senses now that Duterte has appeased them the Pressident is willing to cut ties with the US what more do they want? Now they say we can fish in our own territory but they will set the conditions.

Just my 2 cents....

dismembered

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #215 on: October 21, 2016, 05:13:30 pm »
^ Not to become presumptuous, pero wala pang official declaration na we will have an alliance treaty with regards sa military sa China na katulad ng meron tayo sa US. Na once they got into war, eh kasali na tayo. Wala pa. I'm thinking more like na ang strategy ngayon is, kapag nag war si US and China, parehas silang walang reason to attack us or use our country as a battlefield. We are building relations with China, pero wala pa akong naririnig na partnership to the point na we go into their war kapag may war sila. I want to see it this way na kapag wala na threat sa china (because of relations), at wala rin naman threat from US.... its a win win situation for us.

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If the USA is so bad why so many Filipinos have immigrated there and some even became successful oh they will say those Pinoys are traitors they hate being Filipino that is why they moved there they are treasonous.

Again do those people really believe that really? The very same people who put pressure on the US government to send more aid to the Philippines who sends half their salary to help their families here in the Philippines which eventually supports the economy here thru taxes and providing employment if they can set up a small business. And now they are the traitors?

So now who are those with crab mentality? 

I think ibang usapan na sila. Lagi naman merong extreme cases ng tao na hindi mo maaalis at kahit saan, kahit saang bansa andyan sila. But we really can't generalize the whole nation ng dahil andyan sila.

janachen

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #216 on: October 21, 2016, 07:28:09 pm »
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If the USA is so bad why so many Filipinos have immigrated there and some even became successful oh they will say those Pinoys are traitors they hate being Filipino that is why they moved there they are treasonous.

Wala namang sinabing bad ang US.. Ang kay Duterte huwag makialam ang gobyerno ng US lalo na pagdating sa pamamalakad.

Yong pagmimigrate, noong World War 2, nagsimulang maghakot ang US ng magtratrabaho sa plantasyon ng tubuhan sa Hawaii at iba pang part ng US.  So ibang usapan yung pagmimigrate.

mei-mei

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #217 on: October 21, 2016, 09:20:46 pm »
Kung gusto nya hindi maging tuta ng US, fine. I have nothing against it. But why make unnecessary, below-the-belt remarks like Americans are uncivilized, etc?

Akala ko ba cutting military ties lang gusto nya? Why does it seem he wants to make enemies instead? Ang laki ng investments ng US sa bansa natin. Compared to that, katiting lang ininvest ng China ngayon sa atin. So, aside sa mas ready sila tumulong pag may calamities, malaki pakinabang natin sa kanila economically. Babagsak talaga tayo if they decide to pull out their investments. Why can't we just remain diplomatic with them even if we want to cut military ties with them?

Sana people are not blind supporters of a politician. Our loyalty is to our country. Matagal nang tapos ang election.

kvandenhaak

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #218 on: October 21, 2016, 10:46:01 pm »
Naloka ako dun when Duterte publicly said that we are separating from US. I think there are things that's better left unsaid. Bahala na lang sila manghula. But the supporters have to let him know we are not comfortable with it. Yes, I agree he needs to be clear on his plans.

janachen

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022 Thread 2
« Reply #219 on: October 21, 2016, 11:42:46 pm »
Nahulog din ako sa upuan. Dapat magpreno man lang sa mga pinagsasabi nya hindi puro galit sa US.

 

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