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akotobakit

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When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« on: May 16, 2016, 04:26:00 pm »
Is there any justifiable reason for a man to strike a woman?

2 out of my 3 relationships, may involvement of physical abuse. The first one, it lasted for more than a year. College days. I got used to being pushed, shoved, or hatak-hatakin ako, him pinning me down, or pulling my hair. Normal na yun. What ended that relationship was when at one time, minura niya ko sa harap ng friends niya. Hindi ako sanay dahil walang nagmumura sa family ko. Out of fury, I slapped him. My fault, nabigla ako. Alam ko napahiya ko siya. Galit na galit siya. He slapped me back. Sobrang lakas. Sobrang lakas na may nagpanting sa tenga ko. I knew something was wrong kasi I saw him muttering something, his friends stopping him and saying things, pero wala akong naririnig. I focused my attention to that unexplainable ringing in my ear, while I was pressed down, and him continuously kicking me sa tagiliran ko. He stopped, left, then quickly returned with a bottle of water in his hand. Binuhos niya saken, he spat on me, grabbed my hair, at pinaalis ako. I can still recall how apologetic I was to the cab driver na pinara ko dahil basang basa ako.

With my mom, I went to an ENT the day after, due to hearing loss. There, gulat na gulat ang doctor sa nakita niya. Sabi niya sa mother ko, “Misis, hindi simpleng kaso ‘to. Silipin niyo po para makita niyo gano kalala ang damaged sa tenga ng anak niyo.” Yung right eardrum ko totally damaged. As in wala na, fresh blood na lang ang nakita. Sa sobrang lakas ng pagkakasampal saken (he’s 5’10”, I’m 5’0” and petite), nadamay pati yung kabila (left). It was ruptured naman, may hole/tear sa eardrum. It was the doctor who recommended to file a case against my then-bf. Sa totoo lang hindi ko naisip yun. Pero it was the doctor who insisted to pursue it. Susuportahan niya daw ang testimonies ko. So sa medicolegal, they discovered the bruises sa tagiliran ko. Unfortunately, na-dismiss din ang case after some time dahil ako na ang hindi umaattend ng court hearings because of trauma and depression.

6 years later, and with my most recent relationship, the abuse lasted for more than 4 years naman. This time, the violence doubled or maybe tripled pa. He’s 5’10” din. Normal nang hatak-hatakin niya ko, and everytime I would complain, sasabihin niya ang OA ko. Hindi naman daw masakit yun.

He would pin me down or press me against the wall. Kapag alam kong galit na galit na siya, I’d run fast to my room. Magtatago ako. Pero ang lakas niya, ilang beses niya nang nasira ang doorknob sa kwarto ko. One time nasugatan ako sa sobrang pilit niyang mabuksan yun. I cried seeing the blood ooze out of my wound, ang laki ng sugat, tapos he blamed me for it dahil nagtago ako sa likod ng pinto.

I’ve lost count of the number of times na sinakal niya ko. Nasanay na ko. Kayang-kaya niya kong iangat nang sakal-sakal ako. The harder part is yung days after nun. Napakahirap kumain so more on liquids lang or oatmeal, lugaw. Ang sakit lumunok o kahit magsalita. It’s especially challenging sa work kasi parang may lump, neck pain, and stiff neck. Sinasampal niya rin ako, inuuntog so nagkakabukol ako, dinuraan niya na rin ako sa mukha (nakakababa ng dignidad talaga), sinisipa nang sobrang lakas, sinusuntok sa braso, tinutulak.

I don’t wear makeup sa office dahil it's not my thing at hindi ako marunong. Pero I learned to use concealer para takpan ang mga pasa ko sa mukha at braso. May times na ang dami talaga sa face, minsan naaalangan akong pumasok, especially kung malaki or masyadong dark yung pasa. Halata na kasi kapag ang kapal ng concealer. Plus, I would always have to go to the washroom para mag-reapply ng concealer. Grabe hassle, not to mention na syempre masakit yun. Masakit talaga sa katawan, sa ulo pagkatapos kang mabugbog. Tapos hindi rin naman ako makapag-disclose sa officemates ko dahil nakakahiya, so aakto akong normal at okay lang. Pero sa totoo lang kumikirot ang halos buong katawan ko. (Naiiyak akong balikan lahat ‘to) Sa bahay naman, I would hide the bruises from my parents by wearing pajamas, or pwedeng concealer din kung konti lang naman ang lalagyan, or iiwas na lang ako sa kanila. Mag-stay ako sa room ko most of the time. May time kasi na parang dalmatian na yung legs ko. If I could only attach photos here  :-[ Thankfully, nawawala din naman after a few weeks.

Worst case that happened yung sinampal niya ko nang UBOD ng lakas. Eto naman, yung left eardrum ko ang napuruhan niya. So therefore, both of my eardrums are totally damaged na. Bingi na ko. I had to undergo an operation para maayos and it was done on my birthday pa.

I’d blame myself at times dahil dapat kapag galit siya/sila, ako ang nagtitimpi. I would always want to defend myself kasi agad, to reason out and air my side. Napo-provoke ko sila. Siguro dapat hindi ako sumasabay sa galit nila. Sa lahat ng na-experience ko, pakiramdam ko tumaas ang tolerance ko sa pain. Sinanay nila ko sa physical pain. Wala pa dito yung emotional & psychological pain lalo kapag minumura-mura ako. Sa TV, news about battered wives do not affect me anymore. Hindi na ko naaawa. Kasi in my mind, “ako nga kinaya ko eh”. Sa office, kapag yung mga lalaki samen would complain about their sprain or injuries from playing basketball, sa loob-loob ko, “ang bading naman ng mga ‘to. Para yan lang”. Kasi I know I’ve been through worse.

Sorry ang haba. So back to my question to the good men out there… Is it ever acceptable for a man to hit a woman? In which situations? What are your justifiable reasons?

dismembered

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2016, 04:37:31 pm »
There is no justifiable reason to hit a woman unless if life is at stake. Pero other than that, wala talaga.. Yung mga lalakeng nananakit ng babae, umiwas na kayo. Umpisa pa lang makikita nyo na ang tendency nila so iwas na kayo. Walang kinaiba yan sa mga asong ulol na nangangagat out of nowhere out of reason. Yung mga lalakeng nananakit ng babae, for me may sakit sila sa pagiisip. Stay away while you can.
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IamMarieLove

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2016, 04:50:51 pm »
Hi akotobakit :)

To answer your question kahit babae ako. NO. NEVER. EVER. You shouldn't let anyone hurt you physically, mentally, and emotionally. Minsan nasosobrahan tayo sa kakulitan to the point na napro-provoke na natin sila pero hindi pa rin enough reason yun para manakit. Siguro mas matatangap ko na magwalk out siya kaysa saktan niya ako.

Also asked my male colleague here, he said no reason is enough to justify hitting on women. Yes, nagagalit siya but nilalagay niya sa utak niya na bawal manakit ng babae kaya lagi na lang siya nagwawalk out.

Ewan ko sa iba pero para sa akin lang sis, it will never be acceptable for a man to hit a woman.

j.adore

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2016, 05:13:09 pm »
Only if she's about to kill him - self-defense.

akotobakit, have you tried seeing a psychologist? There's a pattern you need to break.

handlewithcare

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2016, 05:52:13 pm »
Que babae o lalake pa, it's never acceptable na manakit ng kapwa. Naku kung sa kin may manakit physically... patayan na. Haha.

Tama si j.adore, merong pattern. Maybe you attract those guys dahil gusto mo [textspeak!] mga nananakit or maybe you subconsciously like being beaten up.
 
I can relate with you since yung mga past relationships ko may pattern din. Lahat may third party. Kumbaga sa kin mga cheaters. Sayo naman mga beaters.
 
At hanggang hindi nadedetect ang root cause at nasosolve ang issue which I think is within us, paulit ulit lang mangyayari.

akotobakit

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2016, 06:23:48 pm »
Yes I'm seeing both a psychologist and a psychiatrist now.

I don't know if there really is a pattern. We (the doctors and I) have not gone to that part yet. Hindi ako masochist, ayoko naman ng sinasaktan ako. I find it hard to let go and leave a relationship dahil sa time and emotions invested. Yung ayoko sana ng patalon-talon ng relationship so magtitiis ako.

My most recent ex, he regularly attends church with me and enjoys participating in charitable works too, so I was always hoping na magbabago din 'to when it comes to handling his emotions/temper. Kaya umabot ng ilang years, pero ganon din. Pinatagal ko lang ang agony ko sa kamay niya.

dismembered

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2016, 11:13:14 am »
^ Never expect someone to change for you lalo na kung BF mo pa lang. Kung umpisa pa lang nananakit na sya, don't expect na mawawala yun. You have to think na ganyan na sya forever, kaya mo ba panindigan? Paano kung asawa mo na makakatagal ka ba? So kung umpisa pa lang nananakit na sya, at ayaw mo ng nananakit, I guess you should stay away na while you can.

Isa pa sa nakikita ko, everytime may physical/verbal abuse sa relationship, once na pinalampas nyo yang bagay na yan sa umpisa pa lang, like hindi nyo ni-deal like sabihin na gawin ulit yun eh iiwan na sya, mauulit at mauulit yan. Though hindi ako fan ni Freud, pero according to him, basic instinct ng tao yung sex and agression. Like kapag pinagbigyan nyo ng sex once, uulit at uulit din yan. Same with agression. Kung hinayaan nyong saktan kayo, malamang uulit at uulit din. So you have to bear in mind na ikaw mismo dapat hindi mo hayaan na ganyanin ka nila.

aylatskie

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2016, 07:01:51 pm »
For me, there will be no justifiable reason para saktan ako. Yun nga lang paghihigpitan ka sa time feeling ko nakakasakal na how much more sa sampalin ako at masira pa ang eardrum ko or sakalin and iangat ako. Nakakatakot. Baka ipakulong ko ang guy pag ganyan. TS, baka may physical abuse involved sa family ng mga ex mo. Mostly kasi na mga ganyan kinalakhan na nila like their father beating their mother, so they thought while growing up na okay Lang manakit ng babae or asawa kasi nakikita na nila yun lagi. 

Girltalker2

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2016, 07:29:32 pm »
Though hindi ako fan ni Freud, pero according to him, basic instinct ng tao yung sex and agression.

Ganun ba, Hindi ba hayop na tawag dyan?
What makes human different from animals is their ability to think what is right and wrong.

TS, good you're seeing a psychologist and psychiatrist. If ever mangyari ulit iyan, huwag ka na papayag. If you don't love yourself, isipin mo nalang how your parents would feel Pag nakita or nalaman nila na sinasaktan ka.

kvandenhaak

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2016, 11:16:40 pm »
Unless there's a threat to the guy's life and that rarely happens specially sa Pilipinas. There is absolutely no excuse for a man to hit a woman.

ArnoldBench

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2016, 08:49:14 am »
pag life threatening na. siguro that is the only excuse pero parang kahit yan mahirap unless holdaper.
pero kung loved one or someone close dapat try to stop the person lang kasi babae pa rin

dismembered

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2016, 10:47:28 am »
Ganun ba, Hindi ba hayop na tawag dyan?
What makes human different from animals is their ability to think what is right and wrong.


Yup. Hayup nga. You know, most scientist classified human beings as animals di ba?

Yes you are right. What makes human different is their reasoning capability. Alisin mo ang reasoning ability, matitira lang ay instinct. I'm not fan of freud and hindi ko sinasabing tama sya. Pero based on observation ko, maraming tao na ang hindi gumagamit ng reasons kaya ang bagsak nila ay sa instinct na lang nila.

Sa totoo lang hindi ko rin lubos maisip bakit napapapayag ni TS mangyari ang mga ganitong bagay sa kanya. hindi pa naman sya committed legally? Hindi naman sya obliged mag stay sa relationship kung may mali na.

TomHansen

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2016, 12:08:57 pm »
Sis where's your dad?

iam_me

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2016, 10:02:24 am »
yan ang blin ng mother dear ko once na sinaktan ka ng lalaki iwan mo na , once na saktan ka may tendency na maulit and hindi sya ACCEPTABLE.

amethyst028

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2016, 10:34:40 am »
no it is never acceptable and it goes for both sexes. never hit people period.

don't stay in a relationship just because sayang ang time invested if you are losing yourself in the process. TS i guess there is a pattern there. you gravitated towards men who can't handle their anger very well. this is not normal. try to love yourself more.

 


akotobakit

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2016, 01:05:02 pm »
Sis where's your dad?

Hanggang sa mag-end yung relationship namin nung 3rd ko (nawala siyang parang bula just a few days before our supposed to be wedding day, very very fresh pa), hindi aware ang father ko na may nangyaring ganito saken. With my first relationship, nalaman niyang I was physically abused kasi siya pa naka-receive ng subpoena sa bahay namin. He's the one who brought me to a psychiatrist for treatment then.

Lahat 'to sa iisang friend ko lang kinonfide noon. Nahihiya ako sa parents ko. I've been through this kind of disaster before tapos eto na naman. Masasaktan lang sila. So, inaayos ko na siya on my own. Everyday I was hoping na mababago at maaayos ko rin ang relationship ko (3rd). Na kaya pang maitama 'to. Si 3rd lang ang formally napakilala ko sa family ko at ang laki-laking bagay para sa family namin kapag may pinresent ka sa kanilang partner mo. I've presented him to my family, to my relatives (kahit relatives in the province), friends, officemates, at lahat sila gustong-gusto at botong-boto sa kanya. Siyempre hindi naman nila alam yung mga cruelty na nangyayari kapag may away kami. Alangan namang i-share ko pa yun, kahihiyan ko din yun. So I pretended na okay lang lahat sa labas.

Ang mga kapatid ko they married their first bf/gf, kaya nahihiya talaga kong hindi ako makapag-keep ng relationship nang matagal. Laging may malaking problema, laging may mali. Kaya itong huli (3rd) sabi ko talaga, titiisin ko 'to, maaayos ko din 'to, magiging okay din kami.

My first sessions with my doctors, yung mga ex ko pa ang dine-defend ko. Sabi ko, "Eh kasi doc mali ko rin po. Makulet po kasi ko kaya napo-provoke ko sila." I would always, always blame myself. 'Yan din kasi ang in-instill saken nitong huling ex ko. Everytime masasaktan niya ko laging, "Eh kung hindi ka kasi nagpupumiglas hindi ka masasaktan nang ganyan", o "Tumakbo ka pa kasi, mas lalo ka lang tuloy nasaktan". And days after magkasakitan, bawal pag-usapan ang nangyari kasi he'd think kinokonsensya ko siya nang husto so away pa lalo yun.

Hay napakahirap. Pero ngayon, unti-unti naman naiintindihan ko na. I guess nakakatulong na kahit papano ang psychotherapy sessions ko (medications hindi nakatulong, puro allergic reactions nakukuha ko) although ang daming naging diagnoses saken na ang hirap tanggapin. Hindi rin alam ng parents ko ngayon na nagsi-seek ako ng professional help. I still refuse to open up.

aylatskie

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2016, 03:24:36 pm »
Hindi pareho ang luck mo TS when it comes to relationship Sa mga kapatid mo. Ano ngayon kung hindi first bf mo papakasalan mo? May kasalanan ka Sa mga nangyari sayo, why? Kasi pumayag ka na ganun ang treatment sayo from the start. Kung hindi ka napayag noon pa lang sa una mo then wala sanang ganyan ngayon.

blackgreen

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2016, 03:46:35 pm »
Hi sis akotobakit! I'll answer na rin kahit babae ako. For me, unacceptable na saktan ang tao mapalalaki or babae. I agree with sis amethyst028.

^^^Eto rin sis ang isang sinabi ko sa asawa ko na kapag sinaktan niya ako physically tapos na sa amin ang lahat.

j.adore

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2016, 05:31:10 pm »
Sis, hindi nakakahiya humingi ng tulong sa family mo. You are supposed to depend on your family for support. Kailangan mo sila to heal from this.

I hope all these sessions will also make you realize there's more to life than having a BF and getting married.

junetwentythree

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Re: When is it acceptable for a man to hit a woman?
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2016, 07:00:05 am »
I'm glad you're getting professional help and that you recognize that you definitely need help. As j.adore said, I hope you come to certain realizations in life so that you can function mentally better and thus, happier. You sound young. You probably have other stuff going on in your life. See if you can focus other more important things first.

 

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