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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2013, 04:08:26 pm »
Siguro depende sa situation but most of the time I don't take Revenge. I just let Karma do its magic. I'll wait patiently but while waiting I concentrate on what to do on my life. I don't dwell much don sa mga ginawa ng tao sa akin.


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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2013, 06:06:32 pm »
Revenge. Instant gratification, and let's be honest, it feels great to get back at someone. Now i'm wondering  why peope ever said revenge feels empty.  :o maybe these are those who have never experienced any back stabbing or cheating etc. It's so easy to be  noble and be all holy if you live in a perfect world.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2013, 08:55:06 pm »
hmm...

tingan ko nga sino makaka gets doon sa mga sinabi ko. let's see who can find the secret
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2013, 02:06:15 pm »
^ secret na sir  :D

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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2013, 10:11:31 am »
Revenge. Instant gratification, and let's be honest, it feels great to get back at someone. Now i'm wondering  why peope ever said revenge feels empty.  :o maybe these are those who have never experienced any back stabbing or cheating etc. It's so easy to be  noble and be all holy if you live in a perfect world.

hehe, i heard this from a friend of mine. Sabi niya depende sa  degree of harm inflicted to that person if you want Karma or revenge. Sabi niya there are things (harm) na "keber" ka lang or parang hindi deserve patulan, pero meron naman harm na hindi pwedeng "nga-nga" kalang and hayaan mo lang na gawin sa iyo. Sabi nga niya "you have to keep your defenses up to survive in this insane world".

@akthung - still trying to decode the secret tee hee!...

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2013, 05:49:18 pm »
^ hahaha yeah sis. say for example nasira pamilya niyo over some tramp. wouldn't you want to at least get back kahit konti? i know it's wrong and parang binababa ko ang level ko sa level niya pero basta...  :P

yung kay akthung...
ganito ba yung sinasabi mo:

example you're dad cheated on your mom, ang bad karma ay mangyayari sa descendant ng daddy mo and not dun sa kabit. so somewhere down the line may mang-cheat na naman sa family na yun. babalik daw sa babae na descendant. ganun daw. it could be his daughter, or grand daughter or great grand.
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2013, 03:06:32 pm »
Uy, i read/heard that logic also i forgot na where...

It boggles me lang kasi pwede bang mangyari na ang "kasalanan ni juan" ay "kasalanan din ni pedro"?

Diba nga sabi nga sa Karma, what you give to the universe will be given back to you.... cause and effect... and such.

So kung si dad (the cheater) is the one who made harm to the universe then why is it that the bloodline is tainted? Should he and the kabit be the only one who should be suffering from his actions? Bakit damay descendants niya?

Nagugulumihanan na ako... point of argument din ng mga buddies ko ito. Still cant find answer on this. :)
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2013, 06:28:21 pm »
karma through association.
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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2013, 02:57:40 pm »
The then-girlfriend of my fiance (we broke up because he went with her) said something about karma (I'm Sotto-fying it aka change the wordings so nothing similar can appear in the search results):

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If s*** happens, s*** happens. If whoever did that s*** to you is able to get away with it, he's just being good at being evil. If you feel that something equated to that must happen to him, stop being a full r*tard and quit wishing some powers will do justice for you -- take the matter into your own hands.

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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2013, 03:15:09 pm »
free will.

you'll never really know the exact cause. as in exact. kaya religions/beliefs would
always advice to stay on the safe side of things because only God knows.

you'd have to study eastern philosophy to get a grasp on karma, not on the common
peoples interpretation. malilito lang kayo.
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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2013, 05:48:15 pm »
...because revenge (edit: can also be a) part of karma. Revenge can be karma by itself. Revenge can also be a result of karma. Revenge can also be the cause of karma.

Oo nga, nakakalito. I don't think I will understand it even if I try to read the said philosophy carefully.
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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2013, 06:52:30 pm »
maraming klaseng karma,

may Prarabdha Karma, Sanchita Karma, Agami Karma, Kriyamana Karma and a whole lot more.

maski mga advance circlces may kanya kanyang interpretation. stick to the basics.


again this is why religions teach us to be, in a way, to act conservatively. we will never know if the bad thing we experienced is payment of karmic debt or not. kung gumanti ka, hindi mo din alam. baka instrument lang sila ng itaas at baka nadagdagan mo pa karma mo.

one day, you'll have to pay them all back. and it aint a walk in the park. specially if you're in the accelerated spiritual path. nako magsisilabasan yan. if not the accelerated path, your soul might one day chose to live one full lifetime of hardship etc. depende.

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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2013, 02:23:34 pm »
^ Your explanation of karma makes me feel that the basic karma concept can be compared to a fruit-bearing plant...
But I can be wrong kasi you said that karma is a very broad aspect that can't be explained without going tl;dr.

If the plant is fed well, it will bear good fruit.
If the plant is fed badly, it will bear bad fruit.
If the plant is fed too much, we do not know if it will bear bad or good fruit.
If the plant is fed too sparingly, it may bear few fruits to none, and the plant can die.
Even with a bad or a good fruit, the new plant springing from its seeds can be bad or good.
A good plant can grow from a well-fed bad seed or a well-fed good seed.
A bad plant can grow from a badly-fed good seed or a badly-fed bad seed.

The thing is, we do not know if revenge is the "plant" or the "fruit".
And it seems that the "feed" does not comprise of our actions alone. The "plant" and "fruit" can also differ depending on the knowledge, time, circumstances, effect and space.
We can also be an embodiment of revenge itself.

If this is the case, the topic "Karma or Revenge" is a very ambiguous one.
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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2013, 04:11:09 pm »
broad yun sis.
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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2013, 09:19:11 pm »
I think I better post this to help everyone a better grasp of karma.




Karma: What Kind of Impact does it have on your Life? - The seven year cycle




Karma? What exactly is it, and what kind of impact can it have on your life? Karma has been discussed throughout history in various religious doctrines and occult writings. It is a topic with many misunderstandings. Let's take a break from the traditional mold of karma and explore it for what it really is:


Karma, put simply, is the cumulative positive or negative result from your thoughts, actions, and reality creating as that result affects your present reality.


Karma is your own personal look into the reality-mirror and the seeing of the inner you expressing itself within time and space. Time is an important factor here because the human karmic wave is on a seven-year cycle. Which means, every seven-years your general circumstances will change to reflect your actions from your previous seven-years. So, if you were kind to others, seven-years ago, your current reality will reflect that quality; others will be kind to you.


I hope you can see the implications here (positive and negative). Any cumulative negativity that you inflict on yourself or on others will rebound back at you seven-years later. "You reap as you have sown" is a phrase that expresses karma very nicely and precisely. For example, the careless farmer who tosses seeds anywhere and abuses his land will yield a poor crop.


The initial effort becomes wasted later when the seeds grow into small, fragile plants that scoff him as he walks by. However, the conscientious farmer, who cares and watches his seeding intently and treats it kindly, will reap a bountiful harvest showing all the fruits of his labor. So, too, it is with karma. A good, caring life will be rewarded seven-years later with a good caring reality; an abused, hateful life will rebound seven-years later with an abused, hateful reality.


The trap with karma is the delay between cause and effect. You can, for example, be very giving to others, over a seven-year period, so that in the next seven-year period others are very giving back to you. Now, during this 'giving' karmic-manifestation period, you can change your attitude and treat others selfishly and others will still tend to treat you kindly. The karma of the 'giving' cycle has not yet expired! This action can give you the false impression that it does not matter whether you are selfish or giving to others because, whatever you do, people seem giving toward you. However, you will find out soon (when that second seven-year cycle is over) that your wonderful reality no longer exists and the people around you, who were once giving to you, are now acting selfish toward you. Your reality is now mirroring back at you the new karmic wave of your past behavior.


Unfortunately, most people will not connect the consecutive seven-year periods and their cause and effect because of the delay between karmic-formation and karmic-manifestation. It is difficult enough to remember what you did last week, much less seven-years ago! However, the system, despite your inability to keep track of your behavior from a decade ago, still works. Usually it is the reflected seven-year period itself, of the negative pattern back at you, that makes you sick of that pattern and you begin to eliminate it from your life permanently. Unfortunately, by this time you have already begun to build the next seven-year karmic wave, as a result, you may have to wade through a second seven-year period before you can reap the benefits of your new karmic pattern. The farmer who ceases to abuse his land will not see a bountiful harvest right away. His land will take time to recover from the damage caused by the abuse and miss application of farming principles. In other words, it will take time to reverse a negative karmic wave that is already in the building stages (anywhere from 4 to 14 years).

 
Now, you can avoid this karmic trap by understanding the ground rules of karma and respecting its purpose. That purpose, of course, is to help instill within you the ideas behind good consciousness toward yourself and others. It may seem fun to be destructive and oppressive to others, but those aspects are not much fun when they are forced upon you, as they will be with the return of your karmic wave. Understanding that what you do today can come back to you several years later can be a great ally and motivator toward fostering a positive, kind reality. For example, by giving to others, today, you insure that in the future and the next seven-year cycle others will be giving to you. Continuing this giving attitude into the next seven-year cycle will further accelerate this giving back to you and ensure that you and your reality are always kind.


You may have noticed that, thus far, in this chapter, we've talked more or less about unwanted karma and have not talked about karma that is pleasant or productive to your reality. Both kinds of karma always exist in your reality. I'll bet that most of you don't ever think about karma being pleasant or productive, do you? Karma is most often associated with the negative quality of life because it is those negative qualities that you tend to remember. Sadly... (and this is something you must change if you fall into this category) pain is the final equalizer and lesson setter, for those people that cannot and will-not learn by any other way.


Now, karma can be very positive in nature, and that outlook is the proper way to view karma. For instance, the condition of good health is the byproduct of a karmic wave too. A healthy attitude toward yourself and others generates a karmic wave of health for yourself over the next seven-years. Also, keeping in mind that karma can be positive will help you to more quickly weed out any negative attitudes or ways and have you creating more of those positive aspects in your life. Weeding out those negative aspects in your life does not mean focusing on them to the exclusion of all else. You also need to recognize all those positive karmic patterns that you possess as well, otherwise you will never know the positive side of karma and always look at it as the great oppressor, instead of the great liberator as it really is.


Now, you may be wondering about negative acts and karma from a previous life time; how does it effect your present incarnation? Some people say that a person is thrust into unpleasant situations, in this life, because of the karma of a previous life. This kind of thinking is not correct! You are NEVER held back in the present life time by something done in a previous life time. Rather, it is the carrying over of negative behavior from that previous life time that generates the unpleasant karma in the new life time. In many cases, as a child, the soul begins to manifest unpleasant, negative aspects from a previous incarnation almost immediately into the present incarnation. This action begins to form his or her seven-year karmic cycle based on that behavior. By the age of seven a child is building his/her next karmic-wave and living out some of the karmic wave that came from the early developmental years - say from the age of four on upward. Even infants begin to build a karmic wave, though that wave is not noticeable because it does not show itself in regular physical ways. Infants, for the most part, are still experiencing their primary reality in the nonphysical and much of their early karmic wave will be played out in the nonphysical.


Also, thinking logically about it, karmic waves reaching from a previous live into a present life are just not practical. There is no need for an individual to re-experience some unpleasant karma once he or she has learned the lesson from that karma. Such a practice would make the karmic system of development ineffective and oppressive. Usually, when a person spends an entire life time experiencing a particular unpleasant aspect, it is because they:



1. failed to learn that particular karmic lesson in the previous life and carry that pattern over, repeating that pattern in the present life, or...

2. because they have come to desire this negative aspect (as unpleasant as it may be) and seek it in the present life, creating it over and over again.




In the first case it is a matter of repeating the same pattern in the new life - nothing is reaching from beyond the grave of a previous life and into the present. You are just creating the same karmic waves that you did in the previous life, but doing it now. In the second case, the individual is unable to create a life without that negative, unpleasant aspect because that individual is dependent on the goodies from that negative, unpleasant aspect. For example, many people seek unhealthiness because they have grown dependent on the attention from others that this aspect draws into their lives. Here, karma has little to do with the unpleasant, negative situation that is being recreated over and over. It is the individual himself that is creating that unpleasant situation on a daily basis.


Let's take a moment to examine how a karmic wave gets formed. A karmic wave creates in a very mechanical way. Your actions, thoughts, and reality creating manifest an energy-echo from each creative act - be it constructive or destructive in nature. Naturally, this energy-echo contains similar blueprints to its original, but this energy-echo is very minimal and does not possess sufficient energy on its own to do any reality creating. However, the energy-echo is keyed to your auric pattern (having being created by you) and hangs around. These energy-echo patterns eventually fall into an out-of-time context and lay dormant until enough of them can group together to reappear into the physical system. In the physical system that period is about seven-years. These low-level energy patterns will take seven-years to achieve a sufficient energy level before being drawn back into the physical system. Once this conglomeration of energy reappears into the physical system, it enters the person's aura and replaces the old, fading karmic pattern. Now the person begins to create the energy pattern of the new karma while, again, creating a karmic echo pattern for the next cycle.


When a karmic wave becomes part of your aura, it predisposes all of your thoughts and actions toward those aspects that the pattern contains. You can't help but to pull these kinds of events toward you because your energy contains a great deal of these qualities. If these qualities are positive and pleasant in nature, you will draw toward you a positive and pleasant reality. All of your actions will have a positive and pleasant bent and that mindset will naturally gravitate you toward those situations and people. On the other hand, if that karmic wave is negative and unpleasant, you will naturally gravitate negative and unpleasant events toward you. You can see, again, the glory and the trap of the system. A positive, pleasant karmic wave will help your reality to become more positive and pleasant. A negative, unpleasant wave will help your reality to become more negative and unpleasant.


The key, naturally, to freeing yourself from a negative, unpleasant karmic wave is to begin to build a new positive, pleasant karmic wave. You should immediately stop any activity or mindset that is destructive or abusive to others or yourself. The second part of this process is patience. You must give your reality and your new karmic wave the time to build and take its place within your aura. Hurrying will not get you there any faster, but delaying will just push off your positive, pleasant reality even longer and will have you reaping a negative, unpleasant reality for that much longer.


Remember that we are talking about karmic patterns (plural). The karmic wave that surrounds you is a complex energy pattern made of every aspect of your life. Wealth, prosperity, friendship, etc. are all components of one karmic wave. Change only those components that are destructive to yourself and others; leave the ones that are constructive to yourself and others.


Also, your thoughts as well as your actions should be guarded. By not acting on a negative or destructive impulse, you've taken the first step. However the second step is to eliminate the thought of that impulse from your mind. You see! Thoughts carry with them their own form of karmic wave. For example, if you always think (but never say) that everyone around you is stupid, seven-years from now everyone will think you are stupid (and never tell you). You can see the twisted irony in this example, can't you? It would be better to eliminate the thought that 'everyone is stupid' right from your mind, that way seven-years from now you won't be held back in your reality because everyone thinks you are stupid.

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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2013, 11:18:24 pm »
the above post should be taken with a big grain of salt.

it is not really 7 year cycle per se. it depends on the person. to some, the 7 cycles work. take note. 7 cycles. not 7 years. to others, they believe more on the 9 cycles.  again, to some others, like my mom, she believes in 10 cycles.

as for the 7 cyces, this 7 year cycle is made popular by primarily the bible. on the esoteric side,
this was popularized by the Rosicrucians.

yes. it does apply to 7 years. but there are micro cycles. such as the 7 days of the week. 7 cycles within the year. and there are mini cycles (isang buong ikot ha of 7, not yearly, weekly or daily.) in the 7 years. meaning. not only you go through heavy karmic balancing on the 7th year. but also at some point through the 7 cycles. bawat cycle, may purpose. may panahon mag balance. it is in a way simple but complicated.

your bday, birth time, and the bday time, etc of those related to you, whether tao or object. kino consider yan.

same goes with the 9 cycles and 10 cycles and so on. and you have to find which one works for you. sa mom ko, 10 cycles work for her and my dad.

second, there is also grace. doing good deeds, as in selfless service. can disrupt the flow of these cyces. i have served so many masters/teachers before. and there was one time when all readers and clairvoyants would tell me (and ask) that i was having a very bad year (if i was having a very bad year) but no. i was having a VERY VERY good year. why? good karma. generated from selfless service and unconditional generosity. inwardly, i was aware...aware of the theoretical aspect. kaya i expected a lot of trials and balancing. but nothing came. opposite pa nga. saya saya nga ng 7th year ko na yun. even the 6th was good. lalo na yung first!!

good karma will always supersede a lot of things, it will even supersede good feng shui. but of course if you have both, it will be like flying.

be careful of what you read out there. majority of what's written out there can be dangerous.
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You are NEVER held back in the present life time by something done in a previous life time. Rather, it is the carrying over of negative behavior from that previous life time that generates the unpleasant karma in the new life time.

this is partially true and partially wrong. ika nga ni pacman, "Pwidi, piro dipindi"

I was fortunate to spend so many years under a gifted healer. One case i remember was of an intelligent child that would suffer epilepsy attacks. The childs mom was so concerned because the child was an A student. very promising. upon further clairvoyant investigation. my friend learned that in a former life, the person was someone who shot a child on the head. and yes. the child is being held back.

now these passed on patterns from a previous life. a lot of them ugali, habits. nababago yan. through character building. spiritual formation. etc etc. depende pa din sa tao. some would spend a lifetime pero hindi pa din nagbabago. karmic bugs yan that you'd have to debug. possible but not a walk in the park.

kaya yung mga spiritual aspirants. binibigyan ng trials ng teacher. paano, nag crystalize na sa aura yung habits. you have to break them. if not a teacher, life will. hindi niyo ba napansin ang saints kung bakit common denominator yung suffering? because they're on an accelerated path. kaya accelerated din ang test and trials. hindi papasok ang cycles diyan. kasi araw araw, parang pinopokpok mo ulo mo sa hirap.
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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2013, 01:24:46 am »
I see, i understood what you're saying.  and just like the mayan dec 21, 2012 cycle of 26,000 years to complete there are mini cycles as well as galactic and universal cycles.

I also agree that good deed can postpone or disrupt any bad karma you had incurred from previous lives.  There was a saying that, "Destiny cannot bind those who cultivate great kindness or those who committed flagrant wrongdoings."

If we wish to attain wealth we practice the giving of wealth, To attain intelligence and wisdom we practice the giving of teaching,  To attain health ang longevity we practice the giving of fearlessness.  This is the way to change destinies.

I think what the "never held back" failed to elaborate further was that when you reincarnated to another life you will not remember consciously the sins and faults of your past lives as not to held you back by burdening you with the knowledge.  the karma remains still to be paid or postponed depending on how you face the lesson.



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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2013, 10:56:19 am »
kaya kailangan talaga may discernment. hindi basa ng basa. it takes years to develop
the ability to read between the lines. it takes years to know what works for you and where you
fall in. sometimes info is also dependent on the level of a soul's evolution.

for you and me madali lang. but to those who are new and the confused medyo mahirap.

and very advanced info, depende na talaga. you can't give ph.d level chemistry concepts to a HS student. or you can't give cold weather clothing advice on some one living in the deserts. cosmic ascension comes when you're already there. you can worry about the universes when you're a planetary level initiate.



If we wish to attain wealth we practice the giving of wealth, To attain intelligence and wisdom we practice the giving of teaching,  To attain health ang longevity we practice the giving of fearlessness.  This is the way to change destinies.


kaya nga "it is in giving that we receive". Jesus Christ taught everything. hindi lang naiintindihan ng marami. what you need the most, you should give. hence it hurts because on the physical level, you are giving away what you should be using for yourself. ( "giving until it hurts".) God see things differently.

ika nga, the more mature the soul is, more will be revealed. now if the above principle is applied to tithing, talagang maraming magchachange.  pero syempre depende pa din sa Soul purpose. but it can move mountains. i placed a definitive explanation of the above quote sa tithing thread. it wasn't appreciated that much, i think. pero ganun talaga. nasa bible yan. don't throw away pearls to those who can't appreciate but still. nilagay ko yun for the soul of the reader(s) to remember. if he/she is sincere and well connected to the soul. lalabas yan pag kailangan.


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Re: KARMA OR REVENGE... WHAT SUITS YOU?
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2013, 07:47:14 pm »
i respect those who believe in karma, i understand those who take revenge. for me, i subscribe to justice in this life, or reaping what you sow. 

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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2013, 11:07:11 pm »
akthung,


What you say is indeed true, there should be a yearning to search for the truth and from there your spirit guide, angels, ascended master or whoever you asked for assistance will gladly show you the way whether its a book, an article in the web, a guru etc.  So those who are actively searching for answers on how to increase luck or wealth will by "coincidence" (which is not actually) read your tithing topic and it may or may not start its search there.


Earlier in my life when I was still clueless about how karma and destiny works I frequent a certain Chinese temple that gives away English translated buddism books.   I was so engrossed with the teaching of sakyamuni/prince Siddhartha (Buddha) that in one instance I said to myself that if only I was lucky enough to be alive during that time or he was able to reincarnate in this lifetime I would be so happy to learn from him-such a waste.   Suddenly a thought or a realization just came into my mind that I actually am being taught personally by the Buddha and its thru the books that I read right now.


I think if you wanted to catch the attention of more people in this topic is to explain it in a way that they
will want to learn it because it is to their personal benefit.   Like say:

HOW DEEDS AFFECT YOUR GOOD LUCK
 
a forecast/prognosis

"Those who have billions of pesos in this lifetime cultivated the good fortune worthy of that amount in the past life. Those with millions of pesos must also have the good fortune worthy of that sum. While those who die of starvation were in fact meant to die in that manner."

or 

"Being charitable is like depositing money into your bank account while receiving charity is like withdrawing money from your savings in the bank.  Enjoying blessings is like taking money from the account and spending it.  Hence always receiving charity from others is like diminishing one's own blessing. Now, realizing this an understanding person will always be generous and not simply keep on receiving without giving back."



By the way, Im curious so i do want to ask if you are already aware of the imminent massive changes for our entire civilization?   



 


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