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energy_star

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Trust in Marriage
« on: March 10, 2013, 11:13:06 pm »
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« Last Edit: March 12, 2013, 01:04:03 am by energy_star »

k_heart

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2013, 12:02:44 am »
^Pakisavi nga dyan sa wife mo na paano naging matino ang guy na nakipag-relationship
sa isang married woman akin to destroying that marriage.
You know i hati philandering guys but i hate more:  philandering married woman. kasi sila yung dapat,
mas nag- ayos to keep a marriage together.
I admire you bro for keeping your marriage. I'm really at a loss sa mga ganitong situation,
a guy talker can help you more. mas point of view ng guy.
Kailangan nyo nf marriage counselor lalo na yung wife mo. I just don't want to write na lang here
what i thin of her basec sa post mo kasi hindi maganda.

Pray bro and talk sa malalapit sa yo. Kasi mas alam nila yung background nyong 2. i hope that
your marriage will be save for the nth time and your wife to change.
kawawa naman mga kids.

Naku kung nanay ko malandi, mahihiya talaga ako. i don't want a mommy like that.

aquacharly

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2013, 07:07:48 am »
Well, you must have mentally & emotionally tortured your wife with your Internet philandering to the point na dumating  sa punto iniisip nya deadend na kayo, IMO.   

Alam mo, hindi como chat chat ka lang eh -- hindi ka nakasakit sagad buto.   I cannot, with certainty, tell you that her crime of effing around is worse than your verbal effing around.  Ikaw lang nakaka alam if sa mga pa sweetiepie mo sa mga ka chat mo eh -- hindi ka ba emo abuser kasi yang lovable side mo sa iba hindi mo pina experience sa wife mo?  Do a truthful analysis of your chat dialogues.   Was it that bad na iniisip ng wife mo andon na sya sa tabi mo at ginawa nya na  lahat to please you -- eh, you still "desire"  or prefer interaction with other women?  Hindi kaya nafeel ni wife na --  you can bare your inner thoughts to those you chat with, but can't do so with her?  That you can be so sweet/flirty/open to their feelings pero pag dating sa kanya -- bato ka?   

 Oo, andyan ka nga husband doing chores around the house  -- but your pleasure is elsewhere.  Oo andyan ka nga sa house pero kung nakasalpak ka sa laptop mo -- chatting (& you chat to flirt and be sweetie-sweetie, proven  na) --  hindi naman nakikita  na games or work gawa mo --  yeah, you are there but you have already psychologically abandoned your marriage/wife.  Dis-connect na kayo eh. 

Alam mo --  hindi como nag sorry ka eh okay na.  Hindi como naisip mo na you will work on your marriage, ok na.   Forgiveness is a very personal thing -- what can you do if it comes harder to her? 
Hindi ko sinasabing what she did was ok. But it made me think -- what does it take to make a wife cross the line?  Personally, like K HEART --  I don't wanna say what I think of your wife. But you have decided to
Restart your marriage. So it is not enough to focus on just the "now" -- kalkalin mo the total picture behind your current situation.  Talaga bang para syang "reyna"? Or, hindi na kumikilos kasi you have a manner of making her feel she doesn't do things right?  Do you pay attention to her words the same way you are sensitive to the words of women you chat up?  Do you show her that you are eager to spend time with her as much as you were eager to chat?  Kasi, baka like most emo abusers --  sobrang amable mo sa general public, but you  are cold & distant to your wife. 

As K_HEART said:  best you go to a marriage counsellor.  You 2 cannot communicate positively enough. 

Girltalker2

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 08:36:02 am »
^Pakisavi nga dyan sa wife mo na paano naging matino ang guy na nakipag-relationship
sa isang married woman akin to destroying that marriage.
You know i hati philandering guys but i hate more:  philandering married woman. kasi sila yung dapat,
mas nag- ayos to keep a marriage together.


Huwag naman double standard.  I don't like them, nor single women na pumapatol sa married guy.

Kay TS, sorry to be blunt, but you deserve each other. Either both of you start from scratch, go to marriage counselling - that is if both are willing to salvage the marriage. Kung isa nalang, mahirap magwork ang relationship, especially may lamat na.

Kung nahihirapan sya i-trust ka, all the more hindi ka ba nahihirapan to trust her din?  There should be some effort from the erring party to correct it. Kung wala, mahirap for the betrayed victim.  Both of you are victims kasi.

Tapos never ever entertain any confiding or closeless to the opposite sex.  Ano ba yan!  Ang gulo na ng situation ninyo.

Lastly, having an affair with others is not a solution kung ang spouse mo eh may affair. Finding some solace to another woman/man is not the solution.


« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 10:23:49 am by Girltalker2 »

k_heart

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 10:11:58 am »
It's not a double standard but a woman in my eyes is the real strength in a marriage. That's my stand
as a married woman. If course i hate all philanderers.
 It's my opinion and a very strong opinion at
that na marriage although a mutual understanding and it takes 2 to make it work pero based from
stories, pag babae na ang nagloko, mahirap na isemento yan.

He!he! si sis Aquacharly,pwede ng mag-open ng sariling advice column.

But me, with no talent on the dispensing of advises, i just post the way i see it,hear it and read it. I don't sugarcoat my thoughts, what's the use.he!he!he! peace! : )
« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 10:29:47 am by k_heart »

Girltalker2

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2013, 10:29:16 am »

^ sabi nga nila, pag babae ang nag-give up sa marriage, wala na talaga. 

While I am not totally refuting your statement, para sakin, ang pangangaliwa ng isang lalaki (babae man) in a relationship/marriage, is simply unacceptable.  Sabihin man ng iba na it is very common, I should just take it lightly, hell no.  when it happened to me kasi, sabi nila lilipas din iyan, hindi lang naman ikaw ang nakakaranas nyan. Shet, OMG, ano iyan, magtitiis ako?  Well, I tried, pero in the end, neknek nya.

Hindi purkit marami nangangaliwang lalaki eh ok lang.  They ought to be ostracized as well.

k_heart

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2013, 10:30:58 am »
^ok! : )

aquacharly

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2013, 11:01:00 am »
It's not a double standard but a woman in my eyes is the real strength in a marriage. That's my stand
as a married woman. If course i hate all philanderers.
 It's my opinion and a very strong opinion at
that

I don't sugarcoat my thoughts, what's the use.he!he!he! peace! : )

K_HEART:  we share the same opinion....  But I also know how some men can be so cruel by withholding their affection & appreciation -- while they are sooo generous with it sa mga ibang babae.    Pero, well -- pareho tayo: she didn't need to eff someone to break through to/boink! her husband.   Plus, I share your opinion:  another complication will not solve a complicated/troubled relationship.

Haaayyy.  Yang sugar-coating na yan!!!  Hahaha. Na WATCHED! Na nga ko once.  Oh well. 

k_heart

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2013, 11:09:02 am »
^ha!ha!ha! as you can see sis Aquacharly, watched pa din ako. ha!ha! Basta sis, you have the talent,
i hope na someday, i will see your name in print! : )
Para di OT, i hope na maayos ni TS ang marriage nila. Not just for the sake of their children but also
for themselves. Complicated masyado, hindi ako maka-relate.

aquacharly

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2013, 11:37:35 am »
^ay, SORRY -- I meant nothing by my post -- hindi ko truly napansin na WATCHED ka.
Haynako ako I posted without sugar coating, but IMO: not mincing words pero hindi naman rude -- na WATCHED ako!  Susko.
Some people bother to seek advice/opinions & when you call a spade a spade -- galit na!  Bullying daw ako. Lolz kaya now I say:  If I were in your shoes, sampalin ko face ko.  Lolz

Para hindi ma OT:  IMO, ENERGY_STAR: 
Everything can be fixed, just be consistent & true with your remorse & reform.  Ligawan mo uli wife mo. 
PM me if you are interested in seeking comprehend & non-judgmental counseling.  You go first & be honest -- thereafter, you can send her alone, then the 2 of you can go.
Or, naku hwag ako ma WARNING! WATCHED --  but I believe it is of big help -- though I have not done  it --  the RETROUVAILLE seminar of FE GLORIA.  Sa mga write-ups about this in the Diarios -- it is very good for couples who are (konting aching na lang) on the brink of separating. 

fegloria1954

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2013, 01:00:31 pm »
Para hindi ma OT:  IMO, ENERGY_STAR: 
Everything can be fixed, just be consistent & true with your remorse & reform.  Ligawan mo uli wife mo. 
PM me if you are interested in seeking comprehend & non-judgmental counseling.  You go first & be honest -- thereafter, you can send her alone, then the 2 of you can go.
Or, naku hwag ako ma WARNING! WATCHED --  but I believe it is of big help -- though I have not done  it --  the RETROUVAILLE seminar of FE GLORIA.  Sa mga write-ups about this in the Diarios -- it is very good for couples who are (konting aching na lang) on the brink of separating.

Information on the marriage healing program mentioned by Aquacharly can be found in the Announcements section of this Chat Forum.  That said, I will stop short of describing the program any further, lest I get watched or banned for promoting something in the wrong section of this forum.  Do just take a look at the Announcements section. :o

Energy_star,

What has happened is that at some point in time you each forgot about the promise you made each other when you got married, and so you each jumped out of the frying pan into the fire, so to speak.  And so now, a lot of hurts - on both sides - need to be healed.

My husband and I, together and married over 38 years, have had our share of issues and concerns and we quickly dropped down an abyss of misery engendered by errors in judgement and resulting to intellectual, verbal, emotional, psychological, and physical (now coming out as we start the twilight of our years, meaning senior citizenship) because of various forms of infidelity: one-night stands, affair with OW, internet pornography, emotional involvement, not making one's spouse the priority in one's life.  Yep, you heard/read it right - not making one's spouse the priority in one's life is also a form of infidelity.  This is something we each learned when we did the marriage healing program way back in 2008, and having learned of it had helped me at that time understand the way I was feeling so forlorn and deserted like a new born baby left at a garbage dump.  Doing the program had helped my husband and me get to the road of forgiveness, making amends and healing, and now all I feel, when I remember those miserable years, is thankfullness - like a hungry baby having finally been brought to its mother's breast.

Then too there is this one we also learned that each one of us express our love in various languages, much like how we may speak different languages if we happen to come from differing regions in the Philippines.  One may be speaking love to one's spouse but the other may just not understand it, all because one's spouse could maybe have a different love language: any of the 5 - quality time, receiving/giving gifts, acts of service, affirmation or touch.  I think I am allowed to mention the book here without ending up being watched or banned form posting anymore comments in this forum so here goes:  Dr. Gary Chapman's The 5 Love Languages.  Lately, the same author has released other titles of the same genre, and if I recall it right there is now even a book The 5 Love Languages of Men.  Why did I mention this piece on love languages?  Because many marital issues begin with a breakdown in communication between the spouses - that spans the gamut from deathly silence to loud angry voices, and more - and then after that, one or both start feeling unloved.  Then come what could only be called the inevitable: many instances of errors in judgment.

I am aware that you started this thread using the title "Trust in Marriage" but I hope you will bear with me first, before I cover that topic in a while. 

I am quite sure that when you started to court your wifey (I like how you added that "y" by the way - it comes across like a term of endearment), you MADE A DECISION to do so.  When she said yes to you and she became your girlfriend, she MADE A DECISION to have you as her boyfriend.  When you married each other, you each MADE A DECISION to do so.  Decisions, decisions, decisions. 

In married life, the each of you need to understand that you will need to continue doing that - MAKE A DECISION - and it will have to be done each and every day:
- decision to LOVE one's spouse, no matter how unloveable you perceive him/her to be
- decision to abide by one's COMMITMENT to one's spouse and marital vows, since that is what you each promised each other on your wedding day when you married each other, no matter the temptation or the multitude of reasons to not abide by such promise anymore
- decision to FORGIVE one's spouse (with or without the erring spouse asking for forgiveness) and to ask for forgiveness, the asking done BOTH by the erring spouse for committing the deed/s that resulted to a hurt AND by the hurt spouse for, I am betting that this is accurate, having reacted either in anger or in copious tears (and in many instances having brought the children along for the ride, among some couples the children are asked or made to take sides, etc.)
- decision to TRUST one's spouse - if one is the erring party then the trust has to do with knowing that one can still be forgiven AND if one is the hurt party then the trust has to do with being open to the erring party's demontrations of trustworthiness as well as accepting that one can change for the better.  The demonstrations of trustworthiness has to do with wanting to make right the wrong that was done, with wanting to heal the hurt that was caused, with avoiding AT ALL COSTS exposure to the same kind of temptations that had resulted to the erring partner's actions that hurt the spouse.

That said, and assuming that you practice a religion, and presuming that it is a Christian one, are you aware that the bible says that once one looks at a person, who is not one's spouse, with lust in his/her thoughts, then that is a sin?  Like our priest-friend likes to say, "Imagine to that, you just looked and thought!"  Marriage indeed is very rigid on the man-woman relationship being EXCLUSIVE and LIFELONG to the parties who married each other.

Finally, when it was my husband and I who were doing the marriage healing program, one of the first things we each did was seek reconciliation with God through confession.  Knowing that we each were forgiven by God, we each found the courage to forgive our own selves, and then to seek forgiveness and to forgive each other.  After that we started discussions and negotiations - yes you heard THOSE right - on how amends could be made so that healing could be achieved.  It was arduous and back-breaking, I can tell you that from experience, since one has to consider and decide - yes, yet again, MAKE A DECISION, if the other's proposed making amends actions is acceptable and would contribute to healing the hurts caused.  The next equally difficult part is being consistent with doing the accepted making amends actions, since after all man is a habitual creature and will usually find it hard to unlearn ingrained habits.  How are we - my husband and I - doing?  Well, I tell you, that forgiveness road is really craggy and uphill, but at least we are among people who share the same road with us, and we encourage each other to keep going and not give up.

Mommy Fe
« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 01:18:13 pm by fegloria1954 »

latte

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2013, 03:28:32 am »
I have'nt read the TS story, edited na yata when I got here. I just thought of asking sa topic na to since I still don't know how to start my own topic lol.

My ex husband is a verbal/emo abusive. I decided to part ways from him 10 months ago. I don't have any plan of getting back though hindi pa din sya tumitigil in communicating with me. Hindi ako nagrereply sa kahit na anong message nya and I don't answer his calls. Last week I answered one of his email (LDR kami) kasi I also want to say to him on how i will go about filing the annulment for our marriage when I get back to Phils for my holiday. He replied in saying na wala syang tutol that I can do whatever I want for my peace. And then he started saying the same things like nagsisisi sya and all those drama na hindi ko na talaga kayang paniwalaan. Then I replied again in saying all my anger. nag reply ulit sya with words like he knows na masama syang tao etc. but still sana mapatawad ko sya. Na guilty ako sa mga nasabi ko, eventhough I know he deserves what I said pero ako kasi lagi kong iniisip na hindi ako perfect kaya kahit gano kasama ng tao I don't have the right to say hurful words to them. Not just to my ex husband but also to anyone. Kaya nga sa ex husband ko when i said to him that it's over then hindi na ko nagsalita ng kahit ano dahil ayokong makapagbitaw ng words na I will regret later. Pero nangyari pa din. I wanted to forgive him because I have to dahil kasalanan sa Diyos ang hindi mag forgive. But is it my obligation to let him know that? Do I have to let him know that? How can one say na talagang narealize ng isang abusive na tao ang mga pagkakamali nya? I don't have plan of getting back. I just want to have a peaceful closure with him. But the thing is eventhough puro paghingi ng tawad ang sinasabi nya and that he wants my happiness kaya wala syang kahit na anong tutol sa annulment na gusto ko, hindi ko pa din sya kayang paniawalaan and that's the reason why ayokong makipag usap sa kanya about my forgiveness kasi iniisip ko baka kung ano na naman ang sabihin nya. Umabot kasi sa point na pinagbantaan nya ko na ilalagay nya ko sa isang malaking kahihiyan, hindi naman ako natakot but masyadong masakit yun para sakin. Imagine yung taong minahal ko at pinagkatiwalaan ng buo kong buhay eh pagbantaan ako ng masama. How bad is that. Kahit na alam kong puedeng sinabi nya lang yun out of depression dahil iniwna ko sya still ang dami ko na kasing narinig at nabasa na ang mga taong abusive can do things that bad talaga just to get their partner's attention.

« Last Edit: April 13, 2013, 03:30:46 am by latte »

Girltalker2

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2013, 08:15:51 am »

^ sis, dapat ata ang thread mo sa moving on after marriage :) 

In any case I think somehow you are still affected by your ex.  Sakin kasi wala akong pakialam. But at the same time, I also do not get angry anymore. Of course, miinsan bumabalik yung inis.  Pero wala nakong energy makipagtalo. And both of us are civil to each other in case we need to talk. Kung baga, paso na ang emotions ko, wala akong maisip na emotion ko for him.  Siguro partly I have forgiven him, but it only comes in time, through time.  Hindi sya puede ipilit.

Furthermore, gaya mo, I have also resigned to the fact na ayaw ko narin makipagbalikan sa kanya simply because I cannot trust him anymore.  I do not expect him to change. Tanggap ko na hayop ang ugali nya, masama syang tao at ganun sya.  Wala nakong magagawa doon and he can live his life the way he wants, as i can live mine. Kung puede nga minimize communication kasi I really do not want to have anything to do with people like that - kahit hindi sya ex ko, kahit bilang kaibigan. 

 



 

latte

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2013, 05:24:25 pm »
Thanks sis. Sorry kung out of the topic yung concern ko pero di ko kasi nadaanan ang thread na yun. :)

aquacharly

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2013, 01:29:22 am »
LATTE --  you take your time forgiving. Kasi  kanya kanyang pacing or timetable yan.  Hindi puedeng o sige, now, forgive! kasi  religious belief mo ganito ganyan. 

Do you have to tell him you have forgiven him que partial pa lang or total na? 
Why? Isn't listening to him, keeping your communication lines open enough?   
See, you yourself have doubts about his remorse being authentic. Baka nga naman he is just emotionally manipulating you lang.  Besides, you have to help him also move towards True Remorse & Reform.  So, if he is not fooling himself  about grovelling in regret for what  he did to you --  what's the
point of declaring you have forgiven him?  If he asks:  Am I forgiven?  Tell him, what's done is done. 
What is important is -- if he has  forgiven himself, if he knows how to be a better person henceforth.
IMO, with the annulment still ahead of you --  you cannot really say you have forgiven him.  Baka may ipalabas pa yan or gawin that is "unfriendly".  So quiet ka lang muna, and heal emotionally. 

Correspondingly, what closure are you looking for? Closure is more than  just a statement/declaration. It
is a process that  starts with a decision to step back/away  from a relationship, and continues on to the
dis-entangling of your joint lives (preferably in an ordely manner).  You are already in the middle of the closure  process, that will end with an annulment!  ano pa bang lilinaw pa na closure sa pinagsasabi nyo to-date  sa isa't isa? 

BUT if you have doubts about ending it all --  and you feel & think forgiving him may mean you can open the door to  giving your relationship another chance --   It is all up to you.  Whatever you think can make you happy, whatever  you think you can risk again -- do it.  (Miracles do happen, but don't hold your breath waiting for one.  So, use your head.).
See, the key to revivng your dead relationship that he holds  is:  his True Remorse & Reform.
The key you hold is: Acceptance that sh1t happens, & you don't wallow in that sh1t but move away from it.  In short: magbago na sya and you: do not nag, do not make sumbat. 

Pray for Divine  Guidance. 

latte

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2013, 08:30:55 am »
Sis Aquacharly.. thanks for the reply...You are absolutely right! Honestly, I did not have any plan of getting back. feeling ko lang I have put him deeper emotionally with what I said.

Oh well, I said my piece to him and yes once again I have proven that his remorse is not genuine. It could be genuine to him but you know in another form. I can't put it in to words. Siguro yung mga naka experience lang ng verbal/emoabuse a ng makakaunawa on how they think.

Anyway, siguro naman natuto na ko this time (dapat lang!) That would be the last talaga na may maririnig sya sa akin. I can go on with the annulment without him anyway. And with the uncontested divorce too where I am now.

Thank you again.

brendzy

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2013, 01:41:51 pm »
nadaan lang, saw the replies of other sisses, madaling hulahan ano nangyari...kakasad lang.   :(

aquacharly

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Re: Trust in Marriage
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2013, 06:49:32 am »
LATTE,  yes --  one can reach the point where, even the heart has gone tired flat.
But still, love remains. As in, you may never walk back/together again but concern for the other's welfare remains. 
And yes, one can get to a point na --  boink!: abnormal ka ha! But the other insists on his warped view of self and world. Nothing you can do.  People change when they themselvesv want to, not a second earlier. 

Good  luck with your annulment & divorce. But don't let your past experiences embitter you. Do not blame yourself either. Just view it all as a necessary step towards greater wisdom,  though very unpleasant/hurtful.

Take care of yourself.

 

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