Australia Thread 7

[little_princess]

anybody who tried the partner visa para you can enter australia multiple times for 2 years then after that it's a permanent partner visa na? My hubby is also Australian citizen but we don't want to settle there yet but want to go in and out to visit.

[bluegintonic]

anybody who tried the partner visa para you can enter australia multiple times for 2 years then after that it's a permanent partner visa na? My hubby is also Australian citizen but we don't want to settle there yet but want to go in and out to visit.

FYI: the multiple entry visit visa info is correct,it's valid for 2 years.A friend of mine got granted that kasi Aussie ang hubby niya and they live in Malaysia.The latter half of your question, about "permanent partner"visa, if you meant PERMANENT RESIDENCY? Kasi that requires a solid 2 years of being PHYSICALLY INSIDE AUSTRALIA (meaning, your main residence is INSIDE Australia-yung main address niyo), with allowances for travels considered as "vacations".Hindi na-ga-grant ang PR if you haven't exactly lived inside Australia even if you are married to an Aussie citizen-same thing goes for applying for citizenship, AFTER you've gotten the PR status, you can file for it earliest is 2 years after gaining PR status.Magkaiba ang Permanent Resident and Citizenship.

[little_princess]

^ ah i must have been confused. i know after the partner visa (provisional) has been granted, it can be upgraded after two years to something.

we're planning to apply for the partner visa first but it's a lot of paper work and we do a lot of traveling so we'll see. did your friend have a hard time compiling everything? hubby kasi is dual citizen, UK and AU and everyone is based in the UK. His parents and brother are also dual.

[oreo08]

^^that's incorrect, bluegintonic

after you have been granted a Partner Visa, you are automatically granted a Permanent Visa after 2 years if your relationship is still ongoing. Meaning di pa kayo naghiwalay. Walang nakastate sa website na kelangan 2 years ka dapat nasa Australia before you are granted a Permanent Residency.

Now, after getting your Permanent Residency, to be qualified for Citizenship, yan ang may residence requirement

 Australian Citizenship Act 2007 Residence Requirements

To satisfy the residence requirements you must have:

    4 years lawful residence in Australia. This period must include 12 months as a permanent resident immediately before making an application for Australian citizenship
    and
    absences from Australia of no more than 12 months in total in the 4 years prior to application, including not more than 90 days in the 12 months immediately prior to application.

I know because I had Student Visa, Fiance Visa, Partner Visa... got my PR automatically after 2 years... and now Citizenship

[little_princess]

^ oh that's for clarifying that! based on the short read i had, parang it's document heavy? how did you prove your relationship with your hubby? and sorry, last question - where did you apply and how long was the whole process?

[bluegintonic]

^^ I am not mistaken:Read this please:

http://www.immi.gov.au/migrants/partners/partner/309-100/ I will copy+paste the part from this website:

Who is this visa for?

This visa is for you if you want to enter Australia on the basis of your relationship with your partner. Your partner must be one of the following:

an Australian citizen
an Australian permanent resident
an eligible New Zealand citizen.
Note: As the partner or fiancé of an Australian citizen, Australian permanent resident or eligible New Zealand citizen, you do not have an automatic right of permanent residence in Australia. If you want to reside permanently in Australia you must first apply for a permanent visa and be assessed against the legal criteria for the grant of that visa.


Permanent partner is different from Permanent Residency. I'm not married to an Australian,nor was I ever linked to anybody Australian but this much I know.Meaning lang ng permanent partner, magkasama pa kayo after 2 years,pwede ka maglabas-masok ng Aussie but this does not grant a PR status,i-a-apply pa rin yun.Iba naman visa namin mag-asawa dito,we're on a 457,we've been told we can apply for PR after a year and a half kasi it takes time and by then,ma-meet na namin required PR requirements.

May I correct you din na mali ang sinabi kong need ang pagtira sa 2 years residency requirement from their website:

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/sir.htm#apv

When can you apply for a permanent visa?

You can apply for a permanent visa after you have:

lived for two years in a Specified Regional Area and worked, including being self-employed, for one year in these same areas.
See: Specified Regional Areas or obtained sponsorship under the Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme.

I don't know whereabouts mo from Aussie but here in WA 2 years is 2 years or like what the website said-you meet other requirements.

HIndi ako expert about all kinds of visas like student's,etc...kasi iisa lang pathway na ginawa namin papunta dito.

[oreo08]

^^ I am not mistaken:Read this please:

http://www.immi.gov.au/migrants/partners/partner/309-100/ I will copy+paste the part from this website:

Who is this visa for?

This visa is for you if you want to enter Australia on the basis of your relationship with your partner. Your partner must be one of the following:

an Australian citizen
an Australian permanent resident
an eligible New Zealand citizen.

Note: As the partner or fiancé of an Australian citizen, Australian permanent resident or eligible New Zealand citizen, you do not have an automatic right of permanent residence in Australia. If you want to reside permanently in Australia you must first apply for a permanent visa and be assessed against the legal criteria for the grant of that visa.

This paragraph simply means this: hindi porke Australian citizen or PR ang asawa mo ay automatically pwde pumasok at tumira permanently sa Australia just because ang napangasawa mo ay citizen/PR. Kelangan pa rin holder ka ng tamang visa. In this case, a Permanent Partner Visa holder.

Permanent partner is different from Permanent Residency. I'm not married to an Australian,nor was I ever linked to anybody Australian but this much I know.Meaning lang ng permanent partner, magkasama pa kayo after 2 years,pwede ka maglabas-masok ng Aussie but this does not grant a PR status,i-a-apply pa rin yun.Iba naman visa namin mag-asawa dito,we're on a 457,we've been told we can apply for PR after a year and a half kasi it takes time and by then,ma-meet na namin required PR requirements.

They aren't. Here are a few references where they pertain to Permanent Partner Visa being the same as Permanent Residency

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/applying/how_to_apply/migrant_perm_res/
What is Permanent Residence?
Having permanent residence means you have a current visa that permits you to live in Australia indefinitely.

Pathways to Permanent Residence for Partner (Temporary and Permanent) (subclass 820 and 801) visas
Applying for a Partner visa is a two stage process:
1. You apply for a temporary visa (subclass 820) and a permanent visa (subclass 801) by lodging one application. The temporary visa is valid until a decision is made on the permanent visa.
2. If you are granted the temporary visa, you will be eligible for consideration of a permanent visa two years after lodging your application. Generally you must demonstrate your relationship is still genuine and ongoing. (sabi ko nga before, eto lang kelangan mo isatisfy na requirement after 2 yrs before ka bigyan ng Permanent Visa)

Magkapareho lang sila as defined above but different terms. Actually, the mostly used term is Temporary Visa, and pag after 2 years pag kasal pa kayo, that's called Permanent Visa, sometimes Permanent Partner Visa (or Permanent Residency Visa). People who have been granted Temporary Visas are called Temporary Residents. After 2 years and if their relationship is still valid, they are automatically granted Permanent Visa. I'm looking at my passport now and the visa label I have which was valid a few months ago lang is Subclass 801. That is my Permanent Visa. I stayed in Australia for at least 3 yrs na yan lang ang pinanghahawakan hanggat magapply ako ng Citizenship recently lang. So I do know what I'm talking about kasi I've lived it, I've done it, I've experienced it magkapareho lang ang Permanent Visa and PR visa. 801 is almost the same as Subclass 100, the only difference is ang Subclass 100 is for those who na nagapply ng Partner Visa Offshore (Subclass 309). Since I applied mine Onshore, it is Subclass 820, then 801.

Few more references:
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/30partners.htm#a
Although applying for permanent  residence through a partner visa is a two stage process, only one application is required. The one application includes an application for both a temporary and a permanent visa.

http://www.immi.gov.au/migrants/partners/partner/309-100/how-the-visa-works.htm#a
You apply for both a Temporary visa and a Permanent visa by completing and lodging one application.

http://www.immi.gov.au/migrants/partners/partner/309-100/how-the-visa-works.htm#c
If you are granted a Temporary visa, it is normally valid throughout the waiting period until a decision is made on your Permanent visa application. If you are granted a permanent Partner visa, it will allow you to remain in Australia permanently.

And What is Permanent Residence ulit?
Having permanent residence means you have a current visa that permits you to live in Australia indefinitely.

Permanent Partner Visa = allow you to remain in Australia permanently
Permanent Residence = hold a current visa that permits you to live in Australia indefinitely
therefore, Permanent Partner Visa is exactly the same as Permanent Residence

Still don't believe me? Eto naman ang Residency requirement na applicable for YOUR visa but not for Partner visa holders...
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/sir.htm
Pathways to Permanent Residency
When can you apply for a permanent visa (see o, to get Permanent Residency, you must have Permanent Visa)?
You can apply for a permanent visa after you have:
lived for two years in a Specified Regional Area and worked, including being self-employed, for one year in these same areas.

May I correct you din na mali ang sinabi kong need ang pagtira sa 2 years residency requirement from their website:

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/sir.htm#apv

When can you apply for a permanent visa?

You can apply for a permanent visa after you have:

lived for two years in a Specified Regional Area and worked, including being self-employed, for one year in these same areas.
See: Specified Regional Areas or obtained sponsorship under the Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme.

Unfortunately, that clause does not apply to Permanent Partner Visa holders as I've mentioned above. Kitang kita sa link, pang Skilled Migrants lang yan so I don't know why sya nabring up dito when we're discussing about Partner Visas? For Migrants na Family Members, in this case, Partner (married or de facto man), ang requirement lang before ka mabigyan ng Permanent visa ay you stay married for 2 years.

I did get an email a few months before kami mag 2 yrs ng asawa ko and that's only to let me know na kelangan pa magsubmit ng requirements to prove na kasal pa rin kami. Pero wala ng application fees na babayaran.

I lived in the Philippines for at least 6 months while I was a holder of a Temporary Visa. So maximum 1.5 yrs lang ako nakatira sa Australia within that 2 years before I was conferred my Permanent visa. If what you said is right about "Permanency Residency is physically being in Australia for 2 years", edi dapat hindi ako binigyan ng PR dahil hindi ko nasatisfy yan requirement na yan at all. Kaso hindi nga sya requirement para sa Partner visa holders

[oreo08]

^^little_princess, document heavy sya kasi marami kaming pnrovide na proofs ni hubby... lots of pictures, phone bills, phone cards, invitations to events together etc... nagprovide rin kami ng statements from 2 of our friends to prove na our marriage is valid. Basta dinamihan namin para sure!    I was a holder of Fiance Visa when I applied for my Temporary Partner Visa... and nagapply ako dito na sa Australia. 4 months lang ata processing and then approved na sya. 2 yrs later, the department contacted me again kasi start na nila processing for my Permanent Visa and they just required some more proof so I showed them bills addressed to both of us na may same address, our home loan statements to prove na oy we even bought a house together, joint bank account statements, travel pictures, etc... approved yun Permanent Visa after 1 month

FYI: the multiple entry visit visa info is correct,it's valid for 2 years.A friend of mine got granted that kasi Aussie ang hubby niya and they live in Malaysia.The latter half of your question, about "permanent partner"visa, if you meant PERMANENT RESIDENCY? Kasi that requires a solid 2 years of being PHYSICALLY INSIDE AUSTRALIA (meaning, your main residence is INSIDE Australia-yung main address niyo), with allowances for travels considered as "vacations".Hindi na-ga-grant ang PR if you haven't exactly lived inside Australia even if you are married to an Aussie citizen-same thing goes for applying for citizenship, AFTER you've gotten the PR status, you can file for it earliest is 2 years after gaining PR status.Magkaiba ang Permanent Resident and Citizenship.

Not really... for skilled migrants that may be true but for partner visa holders, it's not. May ibang requirement na kelangan isatisfy ang partner visa holders para mabigyan ng permanent visa and that's not being physically inside Australia. That requirement is really only staying married to your husband for at least 2 years... and why wouldn't you kung talagang legit and relationship nyo... and being able to prove this to the Immigration department.

Magkaiba ang requirements ng Skilled Migrants sa Partner Visa... just because they both pertain to "permanent residence", that doesn't mean nagiisa lang ang way to satisfy that.

[kookie420]

hi to Oz GTalkers,

anybody who has given birth there? How was it? The expenses (specifically for CS) for private vs public hospital? Thanks in advance.

[oreo08]

^if you're under medicare and u go public, wala kang babayaran unless u want 3d or 4d scan na hindi naman covered ng medicare.

For private, babayaran lang is the antenatal checkups and ultrasound scan. Yun pagka admit sa hospital, CS man or hindi, wala kang babayaran. Pati na rin yun room, covered rin sya ng private insurance.

Yun pediatrician ng baby saka anesthesiologist, meron din babayaran. Pero depende na yung fee sa duktor na pipiliin mo. Pero most likely you will be over the medicare safety net so malaki laki rin makukuha from medicare.

May babayaran na OB management fee from 20th-24th week. This ranges din depende sa duktor. Same sa antenatal checkups nila. Pero again, may makukuha naman from medicare.

Your out of pocket costs will range from 4k to 10k. Depende na rin saan city ka nakabase mas mahal sa Sydney and Melb

Private health insurance premiums range from 50$ a week to 70$ a week... again depending on the coverage you want. There's also a waiting period of 12 months before you are allowed to take out OB benefits. So kelangan meron ka na PHI before ka pa magbuntis.

[kookie420]

^ thank you oreo08 for the explanation. 

yun kasi dilemma namin ngayon. we're not in aus yet but we just found out that we're pregnant. we were issued with our visa last January but we were planning to go there by late of 2013. But since we found out about the pregnancy, we thought of having the child there to make things easier (but most probably costlier) than have the child in the PI then apply for visa, etc because waiting time (according to my husband's research) would be around 12-14 months. 

I'm so confused right now. I don't know which way would be easier (and cheaper).

[oreo08]

^if you're already pregnant and you're still not in Australia, out of the question na yung private hospital kasi kung wala kang PHI, naku, talagang aabutin ka ng 15k-20k!

Ang safest bet for you (and cheapest kasi nga walang babayaran) is to go public. Will you have medicare when you get here? What kind of visa have you been issued with ba?

Ang ayaw ko lang sa public is I wouldnt get to choose my OB. Eh ayoko sa lalakeng OB kaya kami nagprivate ni hubby. Pero mas equipped ang public hospitals to handle yun mga complicated deliveries... or newborns na may complication. Minsan kapag hindi sya mahandle ng private hospital, ililipat ka rin sa public hospital. BUT your OB will still oversee everything naman.

[so_unpredictable]

Hello girls I have quite a few questions,
1. The very first step is to have your skills assessed diba?
2. Does anyone of you tried assessing in ACS? It says you have to pay for 450 aud for your skills to be assessed. Paano kung hindi ka qualified? Masasayang lang yung 450 aud mo? Or hahanapan ka ba nila ng ibang category na pwede yung skill mo that is listed in DIAC?

[kookie420]

thank you again, oreo08.

yes, yun ang mahirap kasi nabuntis ako before we got there. ang hirap nga eh kasi uuwi pako ng Pinas by July then fly there on my 6th-7th month. andami ko pa naman sanang gusto like try VBAC and natural birthing. i guess i'd have to forego it for now. Unless I can find somebody who supports natural birthing compared to CS. would you know how much a doula's service costs there? i mean SYD vs MELB.

[oreo08]

^^not sure about doula fees as I've never considered getting one... maybe you can google their fees since marami ng ganyan ngayon esp in Sydney and Melbourne.

[so_unpredictable]

Yes. Meron naman ANZSCO code na sakto sa work experience ko.

Meaning pwede nilang sabihin na hindi qualified yung skill ko then goodbye php20k just for the assessment?

[kookie420]

oreo08 thanks again! would you know how much pinay home carers charge for daily rates? 

[cind3r3lla]

@sis so_unpredictable,

of course, the fees we are paid them are going to be used during the documentation and verification during assessment process. kaya whether qualified ka or not, goodbye fees na talaga. nag-exert sila ng effort to assess you, right? ok lang yan sis, bawiin na lang natin kapag nakapag-migrate na.

"Or hahanapan ka ba nila ng ibang category na pwede yung skill mo that is listed in DIAC?"
hindi ko masyadong get itong question mo but i hope sumakto pa rin ang answer ko sa question mo.
i don't think pwede ka nilang ihanap ng ibang assessing body, if that is what you mean.
i cannot speak for ACS, pero sa assessing body where i had my qualification assessed, they can "demote" you but cannot "promote" you. hmmm... try ko explain huh...
sa assessing body ko kasi, they can give assessment in 2 levels. isang as (1) professional engineer at isa as (2) engineering technologist. kapag ang in-apply mo ay level 1, then they deemed na level 2 ka lang, then they will give you level 2, without you having to pay extra. but, if you apply for level 2, kahit na ang report mo ay pang-level 1, they will still give you level 2. so, the best advice na nakuha ko ay AIM HIGH.

question ko naman sa mga sis na nasa Oz na... nagpa-ship ba kayo ng personal na paraphernalia nyo to Oz? if yes, worth it ba ang gastos ng shipment? pagdating ng shipment sa Oz, may babayaran bang tax?
TIA!

[yukishih]

Any sisses sa Darwin? Kumusta dyan? Planning to move there by December or early next year if I get lucky. Hehe. Kumusta dyan? I'm here in Melbourne ngayon. Reason why I want to move there is yung proximity sa atin and cheaper ang fare. Hehe. Please orient me naman as to how ang cost of living and yung life dyan in general. Weather is not an issue naman sa akin kasi sanay tayo sa init sa Pinas. Also, madami ba pinoy dyan?

[kookie420]

yukishih, bakit ayaw mo sa Melbourne? gusto ko pa naman sana dun