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expecting

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #400 on: March 24, 2013, 08:04:44 pm »
Hello mga sis! which has a better IO dito sa manila o sa clark? ayoko  kasi mapurnada ang first time ko abroad. kinakabahan ako at nanghihinayang! kasi sa clark mura airfare while dito sa manila sobrang mahal. help naman mga sis

mozilla

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #401 on: March 26, 2013, 02:33:31 pm »
went to SG-Malaysia last week, ok naman IO dito sa atin, they asked where we are working, what is the name of the company, and asked for our Company ID, tapos merong kami finil-up-an yung form churva.

sabi sa amin, icclear ko kayo, tas ayun daming nga tinanong sa amin kung saan kami work, tiningnan ID namin, san kami stay. e complete naman doc namin so naprove talaga namin na magttour kami, though yung isa naming kasama eh maghahanap ng work sa SG, kaya sobrang tuwang tuwa nung nakalusot kami sa IO dito sa atin.

sa IO naman sa malaysia (sa boarder ng sg-malaysia)

 i had a conversation with the IO after he stamped my passport.

Malaysian IO: Are you with her (referring to my friend)
Me:Yes
Malaysian IO: Where are you going?
Me: Genting Highlands sir.
Malaysian IO: You're not from Sulu?
Me: No..no.. That's far from our place.
The Malaysian IO smiles..
si kuya na IO mukhang nagbibiro lang...hehe!

(nung nikwento ko sa mga friends ko yung ganun nga, sabi sa akin ay bet ka ni IO..hehe! infairness cute si kuya IO...haha!)

ilbsiri

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« Reply #402 on: March 26, 2013, 07:17:29 pm »
I heard a recent story about corruption in IO there in PI. before that I experienced one of the rudest IO officer in NAIA. My story was first time ko mag travel ng "malayo" abroad. Btw. I'm holding an original resident visa so there, she asked me "where's my original MC" medyo na shock ako kasi hindi ko dala orignal na MC however, I was holding an original NSO MC she asked me again "kelan kayo kinasal?" while holding my NSO MC. When I answered back, she asked for additional documents, so kinukha ko sa folder ko. Sabay hablot nya sa akin sabi "akin na nga yan!" still, shock ako, pero nagpipigil na ako hah? after checking my docs ang hinanap eh yung wala  >:(...ok fine, she told me to go inside (IO officer's office) to get some details and GO BACK TO HER. again, I comply, after securing the necessary details, I'm handing her the paper. She just looked at my face at hindi nya inabot sa kamay ko, she just said "pumila ka" (btw, my documents are still with her) I was just suppose to give the docs as I was told by IO officer inside the office. Ok pumila ako right after her present costumer. When it's my turn na, sinabi nya sakin na pasigaw "diba? sabi ko sayo pumila ka ulit?!" I answered pumila na ako. she replied "pumila ka ulit dun sa likod!!!" lahat na ng tao nakatingin sa amin dun na ako nagalit all the while I'm trying to control my temper pero ipahiya nya ako sa madaming tao hindi na ako papayag I told her na, binabalik ko lang yung paper na kailangan nya, at sabi din sa loob (officer) ibalik ko nalang sa kanya kahit hindi na ako pumila tapos papapuntahin nya ulit ako sa likod ng pila, at sabi ko sa gusto nyang mangyari na yun eh mahuhuli ako sa flight ko. And she answered in high voice "hindi na namin kasalanan kung mahuli kayo, alam nyo naman na dapat maaga" (not in my case) I answered back na "alam mo miss! hindi naman ako dapat mahuhuli sa flight ko kung dahil sayo, binabalik ko lang yung isang papel at na sayo pa yung documents ko tapos gusto mo dun ako sa dulo ng pila?!!! Ibalik mo nalang sa akin yang mga documents ko at hindi ako pipila sayo!!" grabe! HB nako talaga nun, ang bastos. Ayun! pumila ako sa iba one apart sa kanya, presented all my documents, nung nakita yung resident visa ko, wala ng tanong-tanong tatak agad. Nagngingitngit talaga ko sa galit nun sobra sa bastos nung IO na yun, akala siguro papasindak ako sa kanya.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2013, 05:52:36 pm by ilbsiri »

omneecka

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #403 on: March 26, 2013, 08:42:45 pm »
^grabe, nakakapang-init ng ulo nga yan sis, while reading lang yang post mo eh parang na-HB na ako.. haha! hay, nakakaasar talaga mga IO esp kung ganyang treatment matatanggap mo tapos in good faith naman ang pag-travel mo. hay naku, wag naman sana mangyari sakin yan, baka lumabas sama ng loob ko sa laki ng tax na binabayad ko na ipinangsusweldo sa mga katulad nya na powertripper! again, this is my POV lang with regards to mga maangas na IO. marami pa rin naman (sana) ang mga matitinong IO. :)

naalala ko lang, may cute na PH IO sa NAIA 3, when i went to HK kc last month, nakita ko cia while nakapila ako kaso nung sunod na ako tinawag na ako nung girl na IO, sayang, di ako natapat sa kanya.. hehe! :)
« Last Edit: March 26, 2013, 10:14:03 pm by omneecka »

smoothie

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #404 on: March 26, 2013, 09:18:14 pm »
^speaking of. when i got back from taiwan.dec. 31 yun, yung mga IO sa PAL Naia mga gwapings at bata. malamang skeletal force yun. matatanda na kasi ang typical IO.

bagaholic_chewy

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« Reply #405 on: March 27, 2013, 01:22:49 am »
^ they have a new batch of young IOs na daw. And last week, the IO at NAIA 1 na natapatan namin ni hubby was a young guy na medyo me itsura din. Maayos din at magalang makipagusap. Mabilis lang din ang checking, then stamp na agad.

xtine

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« Reply #406 on: March 27, 2013, 10:05:29 am »
^Sis, sorry, di ako sang ayon sa sinabi mo.  I do not have an IO friend pero I work abroad.  Marami dito a SG ang human smuggled especially prostitutes, nag act as tourists pagdating dito.   Atsaka there are lots of countries na namamahiya if you mag TNT.  Doon tayo nadali ng US kaya naghihigpit sila pagdating sa pag issue ng tourist visa.  Immigration office is our gateway.  Tama lang na iscreen nila yung mga potential na TNTs, its really for our own good.  I think what makes them have "hinala" is the fact na maraming nadodoktor na documents sa atin.  Marami rin ang gumagawa ng pekeng passport.  Kung wala sanang sinungaling na mga aalis ng bansa, hindi sila maghihigpit.  Marami pa tayong illegal recruiters na magaling din magdoctor ng papeles.  I think what I do not like is being rude, but I heard before.  Ginagawa talaga nilang maging rude para sindakin ka dahil maraming domestic helpers na TNT ang tumitiklop at umaamin pag ganun, instead pag mabait ang IO.  I know there's something wrong with the system pero its their "manual" way to ensure that each person who will be leaving the country is legitimate.  Kung mag kakaroon lang sana ng way sila para iprove na hindi peke ang mga documents like scanners, etc, edi mas simple ang Immig process.

Sa ibang bansa, since hindi talamak ang mga dinoktor na papeles, wala naman problema umalis.  Sa akin, mas ok mapahiya dito sa pinas, kesa  sa ibang bansa ako pahiyain.

little_princess

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #407 on: March 27, 2013, 11:17:20 am »
^ i have to agree with you. if you go to other countries, it is typical that the IO would ask for your documents and quiz you about your trip and even your background. sa UK nga they even have a sign that they will have stricter IO's and they will really ask you questions and documents to support you.

and yes, madami talaga sa mga pinoy na kunwari tourist but will work or look for work pala abroad or worst, drug smuggler or TNT. naging strict for a reason but if they are rude or are corrupt then that's a different thing altogether. pero it is their job to ensure that whoever leaves the country has the proper documentation kasi sa atin din naman bagsak if nagka problem sila sa abroad.

but in my recent travels. madami ng younger, stricter and fairer IO's and i actually appreciate the change. even sa customs.

ibarra

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #408 on: March 27, 2013, 04:28:30 pm »
sis may tanong lang ako, hindi ba mahigpit immigration sa clark pampanga? punta kame ng gf ko sa hongkong via clark. ano usually tinatanong nila? thanks

runbarbierun

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #409 on: March 27, 2013, 05:17:37 pm »
^ Medyo mahigpit sila sa solo traveler na babae. May sitting area pa sila - dun nila pinapapunta yung mga questionable. Pero okay naman yugn experience namin, wala namang naging abala. Tinanong lang kung saan kami magsstay and pinakita lang namin yung hotel reservation. :)

ilbsiri

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #410 on: March 27, 2013, 05:52:06 pm »
omneecka: naku sis power tripper nga ata mga yun. Not to mention may tatak na yung passport ko from other country. I tried to control my temper talaga kasi ayaw ko ng away, kaso ibang usapan na yung pinahiya ka sa madaming tao. Basta wag kayo papasindak.


for IO, para sa akin okay lang naman mag ask, check ng documents SOP yun, I'm guessing they're trained for that however, some of them are too much. Nakakahiya kasi sa pinoy or sa atin (pinoy) nag rereflect. Not to mention hindi na maayos yung airport natin ang init (naia 1) tapos ganun pa sila. Nung nakapila ako may nakita ako na Chinese tig-isa sila ng window, yung isang Chinese hindi makaintindi ng tagalog, sa embarkation card pinapapirma nya yung kasama nya, hindi nya maintindihan yung officer na sinasabi na siya dapat pumira, ang IO naka simangot to the max na. For me lang, gawin sana nila ng maayos ang trabaho nila. Again, walang naman masama sa mga procedures PERO may limitation.



  I think what I do not like is being rude, but I heard before.  Ginagawa talaga nilang maging rude para sindakin ka dahil maraming domestic helpers na TNT ang tumitiklop at umaamin pag ganun, instead pag mabait ang IO.  I know there's something wrong with the system pero its their "manual" way to ensure that each person who will be leaving the country is legitimate.  Kung mag kakaroon lang sana ng way sila para iprove na hindi peke ang mga documents like scanners, etc, edi mas simple ang Immig process.

I Believe I don't look like DH (there's nothing wrong being DH) para sindakin rude lang siguro talaga natapat sa akin, or nag trip pasensya nalang siya kasi ako natapat sa kanya lol!
Again, it boils down to our government, I agree if there's an easy way to check siguro hindi na sila ganun kagulo.

little_princess

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« Reply #411 on: March 27, 2013, 10:03:26 pm »
^ rudeness talaga is a big no no and it does happen here. Pero not only in the philippines. I have encountered different personalities in different efforts. May naka smile pero rude, merong sisimangutan ka lang lagi, merong madaming questions or sadya na they wont stamp your passport.

Sana yours is just an isolated case and sana you reported the IO since their names are posted naman. That really is unacceptable and if i were you, i would have done the same thing and makikipag away hehe

bagaholic_chewy

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« Reply #412 on: March 28, 2013, 08:58:41 am »
Ok lang maging strict ang IO, especially sa atin na madaming cases na undocumented na nagtatrabaho abroad - aalis as tourist sa PH tapos magtatrabaho pala abroad, di na uuwi. Then pag nagka-problema like nahuli abroad or nagkaproblema sa employer, hihingi ng tulong sa government. Pag medyo mabagal ang tulong kasi nga undocumented, nagagalit sa government. Kumusta naman yun.. Trabaho ng IO ang salain ang mga umaalis to detect "tourists" na potentially e magiging undocumented workers, drug couriers, among others. It's for our protection din. Imagine if sa other countries tayo na-question or na-hold, mas mahirap naman yata yun.

From my experience, naka-encounter na ako ng madaming tinanong, humingi pa ng company ID, etc. pero so far, sa awa ng Diyos, wala pa naman naging rude sa akin/amin. Minsan siguro, we just have to be mindful of our demeanor din. Baka naman kasi some of us come off as "arrogant" din o di kaya e "defensive" to these IOs kaya parang nagiging rude din sila..

mozilla

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #413 on: March 28, 2013, 09:59:53 am »
nga pala i forgot to mention na medyo masungit IO sa SG, hehe! kasi nung ako na natapat sa black IO sa changi airport, after nung isa kong kasama lumapit sa akin (para intayin ako) eh nasa IO na ako nun, si IO na black, sabi dun sa friend ko, wait over there...over there...over there!...sabay turo dun sa isang tabi...tapos tinignan na yung embarkation card ko, eh kaso eng eng lang sa pagfill up ako, yung detination (city after SG, di ko naget at di ko finill upan kasi) yun pina fill upan sa akin...tas pinalagay sa akin yung name ng hotel kung saan ako mag stay, address lang kasi nilagay ko...tas after matatakan ng black IO yung passport ko, sabi ko thank you and kumuha ako ng candy na fox's na may changi airport...tas I asked her, is this free? sumagot naman...tipid sumagot..hehe!

tas sabi nung gf nung kasama namin who worked in sg, masusungit nga raw mga tao jan sa changi airport...wala lang..hehe! share lang po :)

ilbsiri

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #414 on: March 28, 2013, 03:55:18 pm »
little_princess: oh! I did sis, I talked to their supervisor after I got my passport stamped. She should learn her lesson, sinabi ko naman na okay lang sakin lahat ng procedure, ang pinaka ayaw ko lang is sinigawan nya ako sa harap ng madaming tao. After that takbo-lakad na ako sa gate ko, kasi boarding na lol!

Ngayon ko lang naisip, one factor siguro na I look simple that day and naive since It's my first time to abroad, alone. Now, I can't wait to have my residence ID after which kasi, I'll be going back to PI and this time i'll be bringing my kids with me, ayaw ko na dumaan sa ganung experience.



Siguro mga sis kailangan lang din natin is be firm and courteous kung wala naman tayong tinatago hindi tayo dapat kabahan. Since mga IO sa pinas eh hindi high-tech "nagtatantya" sila pero again, kung sobra naman na sila, kahit sa ibang lahi na IO you have to stand for your right.

preciosa

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« Reply #415 on: April 22, 2013, 06:28:16 pm »
Eh mga sis ano naman yung sinasabi kapagna offload yung pasahero eh may tinatatak daw sa passport nilalagyan daw ng tuldok yung lastpage ng passport bilang palatandaan...
Pano pag may ganon may chance paba maka alis yung pasahero

Lunaris

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #416 on: April 22, 2013, 09:00:34 pm »
Nung 1st time ko umalis papuntang SG, muntik pa akong hindi papasukin. I was with a friend then, and siya yung kasama ko manood ng concert. Tinanong kung san ako nagwwork, e tamang timing naman na in-ask yung ID ko eh hindi ko dala. So parang natataranta naman ako nun. Showed yung tickets namin for the concert tapos tinanong kung paano naming yun na-acquire, pero kasi yung friend ko galling na siya dun the previous month to claim the tickets. Ayun after a few minutes of contemplation, pinapasok din ako.


Kaya ito na ko ngayon… paranoid. Isa to sa mga dilemma ko, yung mga IO natin. Pupunta kasi kami ni Bf sa SG. One week kami dun, and mag-stay kami sa sister niya na dun nag-wwork, sabi lang ng sister niya is bibigyan kami ng copy ng identification card niya just in case tanungin kung san mag-stay at yung address.

Pang 2nd time ko na umalis papunta SG, last time I was there eh hung 2008 pa (nanood lang ako ng concert – so wala talaga akong time noon para maglibot libot), while bf first time niya aalis ng bansa, we plan to celebrate our 9th anniversary there at manonood ulit ako ng concert. Si Bf ko may work siya, kailangan pa ba niya i-print yung leave approval? (E kasi diba yung mga pagpapaalam naman ng leave ngayon thru company email nalang.)

Ang problem ko, hindi ako employed, nag-aassist lang ako sa family business naming at minsan konting raket ng online writing. Wala naman ID since kami kami lang din naman yung nag-aasikaso and walang designation kung ano ang mga position kasi all-around pero ako usually sa deliveries and collection of sales (but my mom said, I can make a company ID and just have it printed out – ako naman tong never-ending paranoid baka kasi pag nakita na puro magkaka-apelyido yung signatories pagsuspetsahan ako ng IO.)

I have enough money naman to support myself when going out; I plan to buy online our tickets para dun sa mga pupuntahan namin. Complete naman ang plane tickets namin since roundtrip naman siya.

Help mga sis, ano pa mga kailangan ko dalin, ayaw ko mahassle. Ang tagal pa ng trip naming pero andito ako stress na stress na. Lol.

babylj

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« Reply #417 on: April 23, 2013, 12:21:07 am »
Hi girls questions lang. My husband will be going to Thailand tomorrow for 2 days kasi bibili siya hg computer parts at gadgets na din. Mag bubukas kasi yung isang computer shop namin. This is the first time he will be travelling kasi sa mga forum, mura daw talaga parts sa Pantip Mall sa Bangkok. Mern siyang dalang copy ng DTI at Mayor's permit ng shop ko, Employment certificate at ID since employed din siya, cash and credit cards. Sa tinginniyo magkakaproblema pa kaya siya s
a IO? Any tips?

xtine

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #418 on: April 23, 2013, 12:50:06 am »
^So what you're saying is that hahayaan nalang natin mapahamak ang mga kababayan natin sa ibang bansa, na walang jurisdiction ang pilipinas?  Sa dami ng balitang naabusong mga DH, mga nararape at mga umuuwing bangkay na OFW? 

Hahayaan rin ba natin na hindi na maging red alert lagi ang mga first world countries sa mga pasahero pag ang eroplano ay galing sa pilipinas (happens all the time here in SG according to my aunt who works in Changi due to reports of human smuggling)?

You're right.  I do not agree with what you said.  Inuulit ko lamang na nasa pinoy din kung bakit sila nag hihigpit (fake documents, not enough proof of sustenance while on "tour"). Mali ang IO for being rude. 

Pero tama naman sila kung ginagawa nila ang trabaho nila na proteksyunan ang kapwa pinoy sa kapamahakan.  Ang ipapakita lamang sa IOs ay yung mga papeles na magpapatunay na babalik ng bansa at ang abilidad na kaya nila sustentuhan ang sarili.

Sapat sana yung sinasabi mong RT plane ticket / visa / passport validty isama na natin ang hotel.  Lahat nga ng nabanggit mo meron ka, pero kung wala kang mapakitang sapat na pondo para sa "trip" mo, dapat ka talagang paghinalaan.  Eto, here's a sample: 

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/manila/local-news/2011/09/12/immigration-bureau-orders-strict-screening-filipino-tourists-178824

 “They admitted during questioning that their trip to Bangkok was just a diversion as their final destination is Beirut,” Mangrobang said.  The women reportedly admitted that they have relatives in Lebanon and that they would work there as domestic helpers, chamber maids and basby sitters.

 - from http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1926&Itemid=78

Batas ba kamo? READ THE LAW sa BID
http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1252&Itemid=103

http://www.philembassy.org.nz/component/content/article/128-bureau-of-immigration-imposes-strict-departure-formalities-for-certain-philippine-nationals.html


« Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 12:40:35 pm by xtine »

little_princess

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Re: Immigration officers, how to deal
« Reply #419 on: April 23, 2013, 01:08:30 am »
IO officials are like the frontliners of the country. remember na maski undocumented sila and if something happens to them eh kargo pa din sila ng government and kaya may bad rep ang Pinas in other countries because a lot of "tourists" nakakalusot dito sa atin.

it pays to do your homework, hindi porke may return ticket or hotel voucher eh ok na. you have to have the necessary documents to prove that you can support your trip and you will return to the philippines.

oo nga it's their choice to be undocumented but if anything happens to them, they will cry on national TV asking for the government's help. ironic, isn't it?

 

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