homosexuality- a sin

[Mcct1229]

I don't have to condemn any spirit or individual on the face of the earth especially for gender reasons.  it would be discriminating.  people who condemn and brand homosexuals as sinners should realize they may be lacking some valid explanations as to why they are what they are.  most people are not knowledgeable about world religions or spirituality in its fullest sense.  lahat ng mysteryo sa buhay ay nananatiling mysteryo dahil hindi natin alam ang sagot.  pero kung nagkaroon ng kasagutan, hindi na mysteryo.  mga anak tayo ng Diyos.  mapagpatawad at hindi nagco-condemn ang Diyos na nakikilala ko.  Hindi ko alam kung anong klaseng Diyos ang pagkakakilala niyo sa Diyos ninyo.  Pero ang diyos ko, kahit ilang beses pa akong paulit ulit na mabuhay sa mundong ito at magkasala ng paulit ulit, bibigyan pa rin niya ako ng pagkakataon na i-correct ang mga kamalian nagawa ko sa susunod na buhay.  oo, marami sa atin ang paulit ulit nang bumabalik dito at inuulit ulit natin ang mga lessons natin sa buhay, until we get it.  marami sa atin naging "babae" sa mga nagdaang maraming buhay.  Minsan isang buhay natin, napagpasiyahan nating maging lalaki naman.  Pero dahil sa matagal tayong nasanay na naging babae, its a big adjustment...kaya lumalabas sa pagkakilala nating mga "bakla" or "lesbian".  iyan ang sagot o explanation na gusto kong paniwalaan kung bakit may mga bakla o lesbian sa mundong ito.  Hindi sila isinilang na makasalanan.

[Irtwisted]

Homosexuality is never, never have been, and will never be a sin. However one wants to conduct his or her sexual activities, as long as it's between consenting adults, is nobody's business, whatever some outdated book or imaginary person in heaven says.

[galadriel]

Nobody really knows if homosexuality is a sin or not except God. I have gay friends who are good and loving people. they are very dear to me. many of them engage in same sex relationships while some choose to fight their urge and i feel sorry for them especially when they voice out their feelings of loneliness. one time i heard a gay guy say that if there is only a pill he could take, or any medicine he can drink, he'll buy and gobble it down just so he can be straight. at that point he was already very depressed because some of his relatives despise him. i felt sorry for him. that was when i realized homosexuals are also children of God. they came out that way, so God must love them as He loves us because we are all His creations, right? but religion tells us differently.

we, straight people, should be thankful that we do not have this dilemma that they deal with all their life. and we should be more accepting of them. and let us pray for them. if this truly is a sin then let's ask God to be more forgiving of them whose only sin is to be attracted to somebody of the same sex.

[kharenlouisse]

Sa community namin teaching ni pastor is " homosexuality- a sin". My hubby is the one that since birth eh born -again christian so medyo close minded siya sa topic na ito.

We have a common friend kasi na nung college lalaki pa siya although marami nakakapansin if silahis nga siya pero since technical school kami and boys ang karamihan sa barkada namin mas lamang ang pagiging lalaki niya he even had gf pa sa school

After graduation, and nagkawork na kaming lahat, siya sa call center nagwork..puro gays ang naging co-worker niya. Nung nagkitata ulit kami umamin na siya na gay nga siya..ako tanggap ko siya pero si hubby since umamin siya medyo nagkaron siya ng awkward feeling and nagka-gap sila.

Kahit anong paliwanag ko sakanya na kaibigan parin namin siya, si hubby di na talaga naibalik ang friendship nila. hayss 

[charmedwitch776]

For me homosexuality is not a sin. madami akong kakilala na homo na super bait, bread winner ng pamilya, loving and loyal friend and really good person. para sakin as long as you're a good person and doing your best to serve God then wala bakla, tomboy, babae or lalake...sino ba tayo para humusga eh lahat naman tayo me pagkakasala.
If bible ang basehan ng sinasabi nila na homosexuality is a sin then maybe they should read the "WHOLE" bible, Old and New testament and contemplate the real meaning of it at huwag maging literal sa ibig sabihin.

[bluegintonic]

There are more grave sins than being a homosexual. Mas mauuna siguro masunog kaluluwa ng mga rapists,murderers,thieves,cheats.

[may12]

For me a sin is a sin...

Kasi ang isang maruming bagay, kahit balutan mo pa yan ng malinis na cover, sa loob niyan, marumi pa rin... I don't think dahil lang may nagawa ding mabuti, eh babalewalain nalang ni God yung ibang kasalanan (puwera nalang kung i-confess mo at humingi ka na ng tawad). Hindi naman Siya nasusuhulan.

Sorry ha, I also have gay friends and totoong mababait talaga sila sa pakikitungo sa mga tao.
But does that really mean na save na sila? Kasi sa bible, hindi ganyan ang basehan ng pagiging ligtas.

It's better to be safe than sorry, I guess.

**I also have many sins. At alam kong kahit milyong tao pa tulungan ko, hindi pa rin burado kasalanan ko except na lang kung mag-strive talaga ako na magbago. Right now, nasa process pa rin ako ng pagbabago.

[FABems]

I agree with you may12 , tama ang paniniwala mo sa Homosexuality and I salute you for standing up for what you believe is right. Let me share my belief on this as I was inspired by this Bible verse

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality
1 Corinthians 6:9

It is clear, it is written, no more debates should be made. You read it right, we still have time to repent and ask forgiveness so that we can inherit the kingdom of God

[nettai]

Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People tempted by homosexual desires, like people tempted by improper heterosexual desires, are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.

Source: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality

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There's no problem with being gay or effeminate. Basta ang akin lang, wag lang nilang kalimutan ang original gender nila, as they have their responsibilities din naman assigned to their original gender. Artificial methods of changing gender will never, ever erase the fact that they are still men and women, not the other way around.

[FABems]

Source: http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality

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There's no problem with being gay or effeminate. Basta ang akin lang, wag lang nilang kalimutan ang original gender nila, as they have their responsibilities din naman assigned to their original gender. Artificial methods of changing gender will never, ever erase the fact that they are still men and women, not the other way around.

Have you tried checking the bible where it says it is okay?

[nettai]

^ Haha, it was a debate nung seminar namin before I received the Sacrament of Confirmation, dahil madami akong kasamang kukumpilan na juding.

Iba kasi ang translation ng dalawang versions na to to the verses you mentioned:

Quoted from King James Version:

Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Quoted from NIV:

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have *** with men

Homosexuality by itself is something debatable naman kasi. Does the sinful act pertain to acting like the opposite sex, or having a romantic relationship with a member of the same gender, or doing lustful acts towards the same gender? Wikipedia and some other sources are saying the latter two, pero iba-iba ang sa Bible tsaka sa course ng history natin.

Yung isa, basta binabae mali na. Yung isa, mas malalim yung kasalanan, hence creating a confusion. They may be sinful in the eyes of God or not, we do not really know; that's why I'd rather let them know that they still belong to their 'original' gender and that they have responsibilities to do as members of their respective 'original' genders. And yes, I want to keep an open mind about it rin kasi some beliefs naman accept gays and lesbos eh, most especially atheism.

[FABems]

Homosexuality by itself is something debatable naman kasi. Does the sinful act pertain to acting like the opposite sex, or having a romantic relationship with a member of the same gender, or doing lustful acts towards the same gender? Wikipedia and some other sources are saying the latter two, pero iba-iba ang sa Bible tsaka sa course ng history natin.

Yung isa, basta binabae mali na. Yung isa, mas malalim yung kasalanan, hence creating a confusion. They may be sinful in the eyes of God or not, we do not really know; that's why I'd rather let them know that they still belong to their 'original' gender and that they have responsibilities to do as members of their respective 'original' genders. And yes, I want to keep an open mind about it rin kasi some beliefs naman accept gays and lesbos eh, most especially atheism.

Let me help you and others who are confused here. Being homosexual itself is a sin here's the bible verse
Romans 1:26
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
 
What is natural for a man is never the same way homosexual man. For example a man is attracted to a woman only. You can never say a homosexual man is not attracted to a man. Kaya nga siya naging homosexual eh. Attraction, referring to the latter,itself is a sin. Why? When you are attracted what do you do? You desire? you lust? What you do with the attraction is where comes the act of an homosexual.

let me continue with the next verse

Romans 1:27
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

I hope I enlightened some of you the same way I did.

[nettai]

Thanks for your insights sis. At least this way, we can have a common ground and at least know our differences in belief. May God guide us on this discussion.

Going back to topic, both verses lead to shameful acts again, not on being gay/tomboy per se. Note that our mind can be infiltrated by evil and having something in our mind (but choosing not to act on it) will never equate to something sinful. This is what we call temptation anyway, ne?


The verses, also, still indicate that the sin starts on the 'shameful' act (receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error):

- Women exchanging natural sexual relations for unnatural ones (The act resulting from God giving them over to their lusts)
- Men abandoning natural relationships and committed shameful acts with other men (The act resulting from being inflamed with lust)

Lust is one of the seven deadly sins. However, when do you start sinning of lust? Isn't it from when you stop listening to your conscience and stop controlling that sinful desire? What can you consider a 'sinful desire'? Being lustfully attracted sure is a sin, but is having a crush on a fellow girl or guy already a 'sinful desire'? Has a man already sinned if he finds a dress he found in that corner cute that he wanted to try it himself, and he did? How about those gays/tomboys who decide to settle down with a woman/man and create a family yet still remaining to be gay/tomboy, do they sin as well?

Also, wouldn't the mentioned verses mean having a sexual extramarital affair (exchanging/abandoning 'natural relations')? Only difference that the said affair is with another person of the same gender.

But like may12 said, "But does that really mean na save na sila?" The Bible can say yes, or no. Only God can tell. One thing is for sure; if our conscience starts working and tries to stop us, then there might be something we're doing wrong. The same can be said if someone is thinking to change his or her gender preference. All of us do sin, but as long as we struggle God will indeed help us.

PS: Note that I'm not mentioning "homosexual" in this post.

[sarsingkit]

I always read Rica Peralejo's blog and I think she pretty much expounded what i had in mind

Biblically hindi talaga will ni Lord na magkaroon ng homosexual relationships. This is the same as hindi Niya will ang alcoholism, drug addiction, pride but one can make sense about their presence by understanding the fall. Since the fall, we all have inherited fallen-ness, sinfulness. And it is important to understand that this condition isn’t only about the act but rooted from our hearts. Basically, it is this: the lack of humility to accept that we are ALL sinners therefore ALL wrong and the active refusal of God’s grace to change according to His will, purpose, design. So I hope you understand that what I am trying to say here is that though we are surely born with sin, it is a choice to stay sinful. Why I was a drunkard and not homosexual can perhaps be attributed to my particular history or shaping of my society or environment, nevertheless both are manifestations of one’s refusal of and disobedience to God. This is also why I never treat homosexuals differently or harshly because I know that I am just as fallen as they are. Society just has a way of playing up homosexuality as the graver sin when really, it isn’t. Pare-pareho lang tayong may struggles and sorry, no excuses, but this also means that pare-pareho lang tayo na pwedeng ma-overcome yan by the grace of God.

[may12]

^wow, tumpak na tumpak pagkakasabi ni Rica....

[nettai]

^^ Super agree with Rica.

God is never cruel to judge any of us immediately to doom, however grave our sin may be.

[sarsingkit]

I always read her blog and Joseph Bonifacio's too even if I am a Catholic. Both of them read Bo Sanchez's blog as well.

This is my favorite line:
Pare-pareho lang tayong may struggles and sorry, no excuses, but this also means that pare-pareho lang tayo na pwedeng ma-overcome yan by the grace of God.  

Strengthen your faith to God. No one wants to live in a sinful life diba. We all our sinners and we will all be judged uniquely. No comparison with another person. Its not like you can complain to God na may masama pa sayo. That is why relationship with God is personal.  In the same way, that you cannot defend yourself naman to God na IN GENERAL eh mabait ka naman talaga na tao. There goes yung lack of humility to accept na you are a sinner. We all are sinners. When we accept that we have sinned can we only overcome it.

Eto opinion ko lang so, anyone can have a different opinion than mine. Minsan we have the tendency to analyze kung kelan nga ba kasalan ang isang thought, action, word etc. For me kasi, the mere fact that you analze it means that you feel that something is wrong. The right path to God will not make you question your thoughts, acts, etc. So pikit and magdasal. And always keep in mind that God's love is unconditional, secure yourself with it. Rather than we make ourselves feel doomed by how sinful we are, feel the love of God and feel that ngayon pa lang, you are forgiven.

[FABems]

Yes we are all sinners that's why we realize what we are doing is a sin that's the time na we should repent and turn away from it kaya marereceive na natin grace ni God. But if we continue to sin after we realized that God considers it a sin eh ibang usapan na yun.

@nettai
I understand what your pointing out by being homosexual itself without the acts is not clearly stated in the bible is a sin. But homosexuals have tendencies to act upon it. You mean you knew a homosexual that doesn't act upon his chosen gender? Like having a crush on a man if he's a man? The acts doesn't mean sex lang.

[nettai]

^ For me kasi (or in what was taught to me), homosexual is different from the effeminate or tomboy. For me, a homosexual refers to those who incite in romantic and sexual relationships with the same gender. Believe it or not, there are some straight men who prefer having relationships with fellow men; same for women (lesbians). And there are bisexuals and heterosexual effeminates or tomboys too!

But again, to each his/her own. Basta, ang sa akin lang, we can encourage these gays and tomboys, may being one be sinful or not... Tell them that they're still men and women, not the other way around. Most of the homosexual men are such because they are afraid of women, or they had a painful past with their mother or some other women. They just need a woman who will love and care for them.

Because like Ms. Rica said, "pare-pareho lang tayo na pwedeng ma-overcome yan by the grace of God".

Peace out.

[may12]

^Sis, I think kung lalaki na mas prefer ang magka-relasyon sa lalaki din, I think hindi na siya straight nun. Gay na siya, pero hindi lang niya pinapakita sa kilos.