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ckt_lei

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #160 on: June 24, 2016, 09:48:52 am »
^and Joma Sison's statement that Duterte will be protected by the NPA is alarming i wonder ano nararamdaman ng mga AFP ngayon.  Duterte's recent pronouncements regarding the West Philippine Sea, not continuing with the AFP Modernization, and him seriously considering China's offer to build railways in exchange of joint exploration in West PH sea screams treason. He's clearly leaning more to the communists sana mali ako pero kung hindi i can only pray for my country.


dismembered

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #161 on: June 24, 2016, 10:51:26 am »
^ Yup you should be alarmed. Everyone should be vigilant. Syempre kailangan mo din intindihin mo yung motive na he is trying to break the conflict. Same lang ang inis ng sundalo at mga NPA sa isa't isa. Hindi ibig sabihin na sinuportahan yung isa eh kaaway na din yung isa. Someone has to be the bridge. Ngayon kung hindi mo maintindihan yan, hindi ka nga ready sa pagbabago.

You also have to understood na meron pa ding modernization na magaganap. Pero more for internal security needs. Kahit sino sa Presidentiable hindi mag risk ng war with China. You have to look at the alternatives kung ano lang ang meron na available sayo. Inamin nya rin na makakaliwa sya pero hindi sya communist. So yeah, you really should start praying dahil kahit hindi sya ang Presidente, kailangan mo talagang gawin yan regardless.

Giri

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #162 on: June 24, 2016, 01:10:53 pm »
AFP shifts weapons tack
Manila Standard, June 24, 2016

THE Armed Forces of the Philippines will focus on getting more modern helicopters and naval fast craft under its modernization program so that it can address the internal security threats of the country, the incoming military chief said Thursday.

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The lack of night-capable helicopters and fast craft, according to the incoming AFP chief, hampered the military response when the ASG attacked Samal Island and kidnapped Canadians John Ridsel, Robert Hall, Norwegian Kjartan Sekkingstad and Hall’s girlfriend Marites Flor during their Sept. 21 attack on a posh resort in Samal Island.

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Visaya also clarified that acquisition of equipment that will beefed up the external capabilities of the AFP will continue as part of the ongoing modernization program.

“It [modernization program] will continue, but items needed for internal security operations will be prioritized,” Visaya said.

Giri

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #163 on: June 24, 2016, 04:39:29 pm »
Hikahos ang air force natin kaya sana lang hindi ma cancel iyung delivery ng ibang FA-50s. Kailangan talaga ng pilots natin ang mga ito for training and to prepare them sa paghandle ng mrf. These FA-50 are trainer jets that can be also used against insurgency.

springblossom

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #164 on: June 26, 2016, 08:33:45 pm »

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/792199/praise-from-bishops-falls-like-manna-for-duterte

This is exactly true. Sana after ng simpleng inauguration, magiging simple na din yung SONA. Nakakatindig balahibo ang mga very expensive and luxurious OTD ng mga politicians and their families during the previous SONAs.

springblossom

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #165 on: June 26, 2016, 09:37:32 pm »
Based on reports and statements I have read, Duterte is not stopping AFP modernization. I even feel like his priorities will be the PNP and AFP so I guess it will include its modernization. On the conflict between the government and NPAs and other communist groups, I really don’t know what will be the best solution but all I know is, the processes taken by previous admins like the all-out wars and peace treaties, have really never solve the conflict. I can’t even tell if the government is really sincere in seeking lasting peace in Mindanao because it feels like it’s always about their political powers. So I hope with Duterte’s presidency, the Philippines will be truly united.

Giri

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« Reply #166 on: June 27, 2016, 10:26:52 am »
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Duterte asks Abu Sayyaf: Talk or fight?

President-elect Rodrigo Duterte wants to know if the Abu Sayyaf group (ASG) is open to holding a dialogue with the government or just continue its atrocities.
In his speech at the thanksgiving party in Cebu on Saturday night, Duterte said he does not consider the Abu Sayyaf to be an enemy despite its tag as a militant group and involvement in kidnapping foreign nationals for ransom.
The tough-talking politician, however, said the group must be clear on whether it wants to be seen as an enemy.
“Abu Sayyaf, hindi ko sila kalaban. I know that is connected with the issue of Mindanao. Nais ko lang linawin, sila ba? Are they willing to talk or just fight it out?” he asked.
Duterte posed the question to Abu Sayyaf because he said he is half-hearted about using public funds to buy arms that will kill fellow Filipinos.
“But I hate to buy rifles and bullets, cannons and bombs to kill a Filipino. I could hardly move my finger to sign a document buying things just to kill my fellowmen. Masakit. Masakit sa loob,” he said.


I think Dutere needs to read about ISIS. I find it amusing na galit na galit si Duterte sa mga addicts/criminals, but he does not consider ASG as enemies. Masahol pa nga sa mga sa mga addicts iyung ASG. Nakita naba ni Duterte ang mga inhuman na ginawa ng ASG? These ASG pledges alliance with ISIS. Nakita naba ni Dutere ang mga bata na sinunog ng ISIS?These ASG are thugs, terrorist/criminals.


springblossom

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #167 on: June 27, 2016, 01:59:58 pm »
^Hinde sya updated, sis. Heheh kidding aside, this ASG problem in Mindanao is very disturbing. I don’t know what the government has been doing these past years at bakit parang nagiging mas powerful tong mga terorista nato.

They were members of MNLF but when ARMM was founded to end the conflict between the government and MNLF, these members created a new militant group which we now knew as ASG. But now, it seems their group has morphed into just plain terrorists and kidnappers who just do what they’re doing for pure terrorism & profit. If duterte wants to talk to them instead of fight, fine! Let him talk to them. But if after the talks, the government releases them and ASG continues their operations and duterte still wants to talk, well someone should smack him on the head. He can talk to them and imprison them after the talk (hopefully, death penalty is legal by that time). I really hope this is what he’ll do.

The conflict or issues in Mindanao cannot be solved by all-out wars and peace treaties alone. There must be an understanding of how such conflicts began. When you attack one group, the group’s survivors will just create a new group that most of the time, is more terrifying. When you make peace with only one of the militant groups in Mindanao, you abandon other groups which will again urge them to continue rebellion. Really, it’s more complicated than what our books and media are saying. And there are also cases in the pasts wherein militaries’ abuses were reported as acts of these groups and these ruined the trust between both parties. But I hope others won’t picture Mindanao as an unlivable place. We have a beautiful place. We are Filipinos too and are tired of getting caught in the middle of this MORO conflict. I am desperate for true peace to happen to us.



Giri

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #168 on: June 27, 2016, 05:23:29 pm »
I think may mga kasabwat na corrupt military men itong ASG, kaya hindi nawawala. Duterte wants death penalty for criminals and these ASG are worse than street criminals. So dapat hindi nakikipagusap sa mga ito. Ano magiging dialogue? Huwag na kayo mamugot  ng ulo ha. Huwag na kayo mag kidnapping ha at papatawarin kayo ng government. That will be absurd. You never do a talking with terrorist/criminals. Duterte has a strong stand against drugs and street crimes. He should have a stronger stand against a more notorious ASG.
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dismembered

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #169 on: June 27, 2016, 06:37:56 pm »
^ That would be an ideal scene! Problem lang eh, sino sino ba itong mga ASG na ito? The authorities know some of them kaya may mga "wanted" sa kanila. Pero to eliminate them all katulad ng Drug addicts? Paano mo malalaman sino sa kanila ang member or not without implying na hindi ka bias sa Moro people. Common knowledge din na ang mga MILF or even MNLF, uses these ASG din kapag may dirty things silang gustong gawin kapag tied ang hands nila. ASG is a group. Mahuli mo ang isa jan, tuloy tuloy pa din yan unlike pag naghuli mo or napatay mo ang isang street criminal isa eh tapos na ang laban for him. Either you have an all out war to eliminate them all violently or talk to them to stop as a whole. Walang kaibahan kung bakit ang NPA existing pa rin ngayon kahit matagal ng pinupuksa ng government.

Madali sabihin pero mas mahirap ang laban sa ASG. I think hindi rin naman ito binabalewala ng incoming president. Kaya nga mas prioritized ang AFP modernization for internal security.

cutemama

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #170 on: June 27, 2016, 10:06:05 pm »
Kahit pagpapatayin mo lahat ng ASG or terrorist na yan kung buhay na buhay pa rin ang ideology nila wala rin mangyayari.

shinies

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #171 on: June 28, 2016, 07:30:01 am »
Naghahanap ng away China. Gusto ba talaga ng mga tao ng gera? Di natin kaya.

Giri

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #172 on: June 28, 2016, 08:02:33 am »
2cute mama-So what do you suggest? Pabayaan na lang sila na pumatay, mag kidnap at mamugot ng ulo. Sige gawin ninyo iyan mamugot pa kayo ng ulo okay lang. Hindi naman tayo magkalaban. Iyung mga adik lang pagtutuunan namin.Walang mangyayari sa pakikipag-usap sa kanila. Paano na din iyung justice ng mga victims nila?All out war should be employed against ASG. Gaya sa ibang country, natangal nila mga bandits nila with all out war. These ASG are terrorist/criminals. They are not comparable to MNLF/MILF. Iyung mga muslim/moro scholars ay against sa ginagawa ng ASG.


@disembered- Diyan papasok ang intelligence gathering.Actually  iyung mga muslim/moro ay may kanya kanyang paniniwala. Sila sila mismo ay naglalaban din. Maraming moro that denounce extremist. Gaya ng mga moro/muslims sa Iraq fighting against the extremist/terrorist ISIS.

Kung gugustuhin ng military, they can eliminate NPA. Pero as I told, there are corrupt men in military. Actually NPA is not as strong as before. And their outdated communism ideology is dead around the world. Lumakas ito nung panahon ni Cory. Baka lumakaas uli ito sa panahon ni Duterte. Military can even use drones. Pero hindi nila ginagawa.
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dismembered

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #173 on: June 28, 2016, 03:23:22 pm »
^ I agree. May mga corruption na nangyayari talaga sa military kaya existing pa yang mga yan at the same time lumalakas pa. So need talaga linisin muna ang Military at Police bago mo talaga maisasagawa ang peace sa lahat. Mahirap mag establish ng peace kung sa loob mismo merong nag incite ng gulo para mas kumita sila etc. Again, this is not a simple matter. Kasi kung simple lang ito, simula't simula ng panahon pa ni Cory hanggang panahon ni PNoy na 3 decades ang nakalipas eh di sana nasolusyonan na.

Let's give our incoming president a chance. Kasi unfair lang na ipilit ipaayos ito sa term nya agad agad samantalang 3 decades at 5 president ang hindi rin na solve ito.

Regarding naman MNLF/MILF being different sa ASG. Medyo mahirap sabihin. Pero yung nangyari sa SAF44 is walang kaibahan. Let's say na MNLF yung isa, pero yung kapatid nya ASG. Do you think na palalagpasin nya yun kung naagrabyado ang kapatid nya? In the end, magtatakipan pa rin sila kasi kapatid is kapatid. Sad truth pero hindi talaga ito ganun kadali katulad ng naiisip ng karamihan.


Giri

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« Reply #174 on: June 28, 2016, 03:51:06 pm »
I know hindi ganun kadali iyon. But our government has no other choice but to go all out war with ASG.  These ASG are extremist and no talks will make them give up their terrorism act. And do you think susuko mga ito para makulong? Diyan mo din makikita ang sincerity ng MILF/MNLF. Panahon nga ni erap mas luma kagamitan, nakuha na nila camp abubakar.


Time ni Cory, mahina stance niya against NPA kaya lumakas. Nahuli na nga si Joma, pinalaya pa. Binagyan ni Cory ng chance ang NDF/CPP for government positions, pero wala din nangyari. As I told NPA today is not as strong. Gaya ng sabi ko iyung communism nawala na iyan sa maraming bansa. It is a dead ideology around the world. Sa pinas they are not as strong, Political will lang iyan para malinis ang bansa sa NPA.


I really find it amusing na galit na galit si Duterte sa adik, pero he does not consider ASG as enemies. Shoot to kill order nga order niya kapag lumaban ang adik/criminal. Pero itong ASG hindi lang lumalaban, naghahasik pa ng lagim. Tapos sasabihin lang niya, it hurts him na mapatay ang ASG kasi mga Filipino sila. Iyung mg adik/criminal, Filipino din mga iyon. And I don't think these ASG consider themselves as Filipino.
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dismembered

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« Reply #175 on: June 28, 2016, 05:07:37 pm »
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I really find it amusing na galit na galit si Duterte sa adik, pero he does not consider ASG as enemies. Shoot to kill order nga order niya kapag lumaban ang adik/criminal. Pero itong ASG hindi lang lumalaban, naghahasik pa ng lagim. Tapos sasabihin lang niya, it hurts him na mapatay ang ASG kasi mga Filipino sila. Iyung mg adik/criminal, Filipino din mga iyon. And I don't think these ASG consider themselves as Filipino.

The term is "all out war". As much as possible hinahanapn ng way para hindi mag all out war. Just like criminals, believe me shoot to kill order din ang mga rebelde at ASG kapag lumaban. Lalo na at army ang humaharap sa kanila mas matindi ang kahihinatnan nila pag naglaban sila. Problem is hindi nga ganun kadali kasi hindi nga din papahuli ng buhay ang mga ito. As much as possible tinitignan kung pwedeng talks o sumuko muna bago lumaban. To be fair ganyan din naman ang ginagawa nya sa adik at criminals di ba? Sumuko na kayo or umalis na kayo ng davao or else alam na.


Giri

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« Reply #176 on: June 28, 2016, 05:32:11 pm »
As I told, ASG are extremist/terrorist/criminals. Hindi susuko majority ng mga iyan. Don't you think, iyung mga past presidents hindi ng try to talk to them?There are no other option against them, but all out war. Now if Duterte asked them to surrender, pero hindi pa din nila ginawa, all out war na talaga dapat.
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dismembered

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #177 on: June 28, 2016, 05:50:28 pm »
^ we'll see kapag Commander in chief na si President. Either way naman gawin nya may criticism pa rin. Pero kung ganun rin lang, mas gusto ko rin pulbusin na itong mga salot na ito. Haha.

Nag talk yung ibang mga president, pero no one has achieved what duterte can do. Yung pagkatiwalaan siya bilang part ng government. Hindi ko rin alam ang dapat gawin. Lalong hindi ko rin alam ang plano ni Duterte.

leilaniandson_onlineshop

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Re: President Digong Administration 2016-2022
« Reply #178 on: June 29, 2016, 08:09:59 am »
 To all who have complaints, violent reactions and negative comments you can call  the 24-hour Hotline that Duterte will open for public so he will know ano mga hinaing niyo. Like an all out war against ASG, your concerns regarding the NPA etc.

springblossom

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« Reply #179 on: June 30, 2016, 01:56:24 pm »
it's very refreshing to see a Philippine flag pinned on our president's shirt. small gesture but speaks true representation - the Philippines and all its people.

and yes, he's a lawyer. he knows the laws and so, his limits. and he's here to start working as a public servant.

 

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