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Re: BongBong Marcos VP for 2016
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2015, 01:33:13 pm »
wow..Thanks for the link sis..it's a big help..No to Trillanes talaga super..isang malaking traydor ng pinas....Si BBM pala is one of the few senators who didn't vote that corona impeachment and BBL.laveet..super agree ako dito

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2015, 02:15:45 pm »
And here is a reply to that article, also published by Rappler:

http://www.rappler.com/views/imho/109511-response-david-yap-bongbong-marcos

From HuffingtonPost, dated last year, referring to the $10B ill-gotten wealth: "Less than half that amount has been successfully recovered by the government since it began its efforts to recover the Marcos fortune."

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edsel-tupaz/the-missing-marcos-billio_b_5972708.html

Agree sis @Leven balik muna nila mga ninakaw nila sa Pilipinas. Also acknowledge yung mga nangyari noong martial law. Sana hindi na irewrite ang history. Yung mga victims of torture, political killings meron record yan ng organizations.. Yung sa corruption recognized ng PH and Swiss courts. Grabe yung corruption then that by the end of Marcos' rule, the country is already the sick man of asia.

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2015, 03:10:40 pm »
I'll vote BBM for VP

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2015, 04:38:18 pm »
Ay nako, may pandaraya na agad.


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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2015, 05:28:57 pm »
^bilib pa naman  ako noon sa educational background  nya.
Simpleng  kasinungalingan para sa iba pero ika nga  ang mapagkakatiwalaan sa maliit na bagay ay maaring pagkatiwalaan sa malaki.
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2015, 08:20:55 pm »
Kung corruption lang ang basis, walang difference from then until now. Let's face it, even the Daang Matuwid cannot solve it. Next best thing to look at is who can actually yield improvement in the Philippines.

Kung kasinungalinan, meron ba na 100% honesty ever?

It's still a curious thing how there are people who lived through Martial Law and yet go for Marcos pa din sila (no ties whatsoever yun ah as in common citizens).

Saka kung napakasama nilang mga tao, madaming kaso left and right, etc as what we can see in the news and social media, bakit di pa rin sila maikulong hanggang ngayon? Bakit hindi maforce kunin sa kanila ang lahat ng kinuha nila sa Pilipinas?
Pwedeng they are not guilty of it, pwedeng lahat pala ng nasa political realm ngayon ay involved pala, etc etc ::)

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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2015, 10:02:30 pm »
idol ko si BBM dapat lang na sya ang manalong VP baka sakaling maibalik ang respeto ng ibang bansa sa atin at muling umangat ang dignidad ng pilipino at the same time baka umaayos na muli ang  bansa natin.
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2015, 11:06:11 pm »
Not voting him. Alam ko man o hindi ang history ng pamilya Marcos, BBM lacks the integrity to at least be honest about his personal history. I don't want a poser to be my vice president.

BBM said Martial Law had been good for the country? Kung hindi naialis noon ang ama niyang diktador, walang ganitong forum. Freedom of speech will still be just a dream. Lahat ng ilalathala sa mga tv at diyaryo pulos kasinungalingan pa rin dahil ang mga kompanyang iyon ay hawak pa rin sa leeg ng diktador. Sabi nila ang kasalanan ng ama ay hindi kasalanan ng anak? E paano kung ang mismong anak hindi gustong itama o mariin na itinatanggi ang mga kahayupan na ginawa ng magulang niya?

I am not against BBM, per se. However, I am against anyone who, in my opinion, will send the Philippines into a deeper quagmire. Naabutan ko ang Martial Law. And to hear a politico, worse, a dictator's son, singing praises about Martial Law is someone I can never take seriously, let alone vote for. #NeverAgain

http://www.rappler.com/views/imho/106827-martial-law-stories-hear

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/729641/etta-rosales-to-marcos-well-never-forget-martial-law-era
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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2015, 07:48:54 am »
We have a fake freedom of speech. If you think no one is controlling what's in the media, you're not really seeing what's happening.

There's just a longer leash but a leash nonetheless.

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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2015, 08:16:20 am »
^ that's a weird argument. ano yun as defense for all the bad things that happened during martial law, we're supposed to just go with "it's the same now, hindi nyo lang alam"? 

i was too young to remember martial law. but any candidate with such a villainous place in history should, as a show of good intention man lang, have enough courage and decency to back off.

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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2015, 09:12:50 am »
BBM lacks the integrity to at least be honest about his personal history.

http://www.rappler.com/views/imho/106827-martial-law-stories-hear

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/729641/etta-rosales-to-marcos-well-never-forget-martial-law-era

Thanks  for  sharing  sis. Grabe  yung sa Rappler. Sobrang torture  naman nangyari.
Parang  North Korea  ang style.

If ever manalo si BBM as VP at eventually  maging Pangulo (wag naman sana), hindi malalayo na katulad ng tatay nya ang gagawin niyang pamamalakad dahil hindi niya nakitang may kasalanang nagawa si FM.
Sa puso at pananaw niya puro magaganda  lang ang nagawa ng ama niya.





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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2015, 09:36:55 am »
It's specifically for the so called freedom of speech we have right now in the media that is not controlled kuno by anyone.

No idea where everything else had to be connected there

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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2015, 09:22:57 pm »
^I think the leash you're referring to applies to the networks and major publications. If that's the case, then perhaps the news that the public receive are already filtered. I might believe that. But what about other news websites such as rappler, forums like gt and pex, and blogs? May leash din ba yan? People can express their misgivings without the fear of being prosecuted for it. That's freedom of speech.
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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2015, 07:24:48 pm »
Yes, you got it!

It was for this -- Lahat ng ilalathala sa mga tv at diyaryo pulos kasinungalingan pa rin dahil ang mga kompanyang iyon ay hawak pa rin sa leeg ng diktador.

Aren't these mediums where most people (as in those who have voting power - the masa) get news from? Websites para lang sa mga may kaya at may time.

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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2015, 08:42:14 pm »
^ Kindly take note that during the 70s and 80s, there were no other forms of media other than tv, radio, and periodicals. Even landline phones had been scarce back then.

These days, people take for granted about the existence of the internet, mobile phones, websites, social media, etc. If we had the same type of ruler today, there would be no websites or other similar avenues for free speech or critical thinking.

We have a fake freedom of speech. If you think no one is controlling what's in the media, you're not really seeing what's happening.

There's just a longer leash but a leash nonetheless.

This statement, if spoken today with that dictator as our leader, will be enough for you to be taken by authorities, never to be seen again. In the first place, this forum would not exist because every opportunity for public expression would have been quashed.

I saw from another post, I don't know if it's from this thread, na wala ka dapat katakutan sa martial rule kung wala kang ginagawang masama. But there's the rub. There were many innocents who were taken from their homes, from the streets, kahit sila ay inosente. Hulihin ka, may warrant man o wala, may ebidensya man o wala. Ordinary working people na dinampot ng baranggay dahil nasa daan pa sila after 10 p.m. (curfew). Students na nawalang parang bula dahil classmate lamang sila ng isang hinihinalang aktibista. And then some time later, makikita sa pahayagan ang litrato ng kanilang mga katawan with the caption na sila ay mga napatay na rebelde.

Whether the younger generation realize it or not, we enjoy much more freedom now compared to the 70s up to the mid 80s. Madaming kapalpakan ang lahat ng lider na sumunod kay Apo Marcos, no exceptions. Bias sa news, tv, newspapers, government websites? Of course! Hindi mawawala yan sa corrupt nating gobyerno. Mula panahon ng Kastila or even before that, hindi mawawala ang gustong manakop, whether you're talking about economics, territory, media, or your family's inheritance.

Ang sa akin, walang ni isang Pilipino mula sa panahon ni Aguinaldo ang dapat pagkatiwalaan ng kapangyarihan na kasing-laki ng Martial Rule. Kaya ganoon na lang ang aking pagtutol sa pagboto sa isang politiko na ganoon na lang ang pagpapahalaga sa Martial Law. Next time, we or our children may just be hurtled back to the dark ages because of our very own choices.

So, whether you vote for BBM or any other person sa 2016, I hope everyone will research deeply about the candidates. We have all the resources. Lalo na ngayon na ang laki ng porsiyento ng mga botante na 35 yrs old and below. Hindi na nila naabutan ang parte na ito ng history ng mga Marcos at ng ibang matatandang politiko. Ito ang pagkakataon na inaantay nila: mga botante na walang memorya ng recent Philippine history, and they're hoping that the present generation will be as easily whitewashed as previous ones, despite the advances in technology.

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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2015, 10:11:05 am »

Hi mga sis,

Di ko naabutan ang martial law so everything I read and hear now is pure hearsay. It's up to me sino ang papaniwalaan ko. Like my parents--our family, walang direct effect ang martial law sa amin so my parents had nothing to tell me. Pero yun officemate ko, up to now, nawawala ang cousin niya na college student that time and biglang dinampot sa bahay nila in Sampaloc during martial law. Until now they have no closure over what really happened. Hindi din nila alam bakit, sino, paano, buhay ba, patay, ipagsisindi ba ng kandila every all souls' day.. Nakakaawa sobra. Siguro sa iba, maswerte nalang na di napagdudahan. pero paano naman yun iba. Siguro yun mga nababasa natin sa news na may van na titigil bigla tapos hihilain ang victim, parang ganun ang nangyari tapos walang idea ang family kung bakit na-kidnap or nawala or naglayas na ba ang anak nila kaya di umuwi.

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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2015, 11:38:19 am »
Saka kung napakasama nilang mga tao, madaming kaso left and right, etc as what we can see in the news and social media, bakit di pa rin sila maikulong hanggang ngayon? Bakit hindi maforce kunin sa kanila ang lahat ng kinuha nila sa Pilipinas?
Pwedeng they are not guilty of it, pwedeng lahat pala ng nasa political realm ngayon ay involved pala, etc etc ::)

We all know the justice system here is napakabagal and the rich most of the time get away with their crimes.

I often hear people say na hindi naman sure what happened during Martial Law, could be hearsay or gawa-gawa lang. Kasi naman there are credible sources -- read history books, research online. Materials are literally everywhere. Even international organizations have facts and records regarding what happened during Martial Law. I think the main problem is that many people lack significant history knowledge, even teachers sa school, and that this topic is not touched widely in schools.

FYI, maganda ang economy ng Pilipinas nung 1950s and 1960s. That was why naging second best ang economy natin sa southeast Asia, next to Japan. It wasn't the success of the Marcos regime. In fact, nung time ni Marcos corruption was so massive that we'd eventually become the sick man of asia. Nagkaroon din ng period na nagnegative yung GDP ng bansa. We owed huge amounts from World Bank, majority of which was pocketed by this dictator. Hanggang ngayon we're still paying for this. What Marcos did to the country was so damaging that it was felt even decades after he got ousted.

If you read the World Transparency Report in 2004, Marcos was listed as #2 most corrupt leader.

Also, laging kinocompare si Marcos kay Lee Kuan Yew and kesyo we could've been the next singapore. Funnily enough, in Lee Kuan Yew's words, based on his book:

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The difference lies in the culture of the Filipino people. It is a soft, forgiving culture. Only in the Philippines could a leader like Ferdinand Marcos, who pillaged his country for over 20 years, still be considered for a national burial. Insignificant amounts of the loot have been recovered, yet his wife and children were allowed to return and engage in politics.

Sabi nga "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

I suggest if you're not sure, you start reading.
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Re: BongBong Marcos VP for 2016
« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2015, 07:59:40 am »
IMO naman e...Dahil sa kapalpakan yan ng PNOY administration kaya gusto ng mga tao ibalik agad si Marcos..alam mo na mga Pinoys ala action drama ang gusto..kung mananalo si BongBong Marcos....malaking gulo..sobra..

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2015, 01:38:49 am »
For those who believe Ferdinand Marcos is the best president, please read history books.

The problem with history books, imho, ay may biases ang story, depende sa nagsasalaysay. Sa ibang libro, pinapatay ni Marcos si Ninoy. Pero may conspiracy theories na iba-iba ang version. Depende na sa nagbabasa.

Anyway, I'll just wait pag nakahain na ang plataporma para mas objective.

 


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