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karla1o

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #120 on: September 01, 2015, 08:37:35 pm »
Mga sis worth reading:

https://www.facebook.com/maryanne.moll/posts/10153561022634291

"6. The INC has issued an apology for the traffic, but cites that it is the fault of their enemies. If I throw a brick at a random passerby in protest of my enemy, that passerby has every right to complain against me as well, and I very well should not blame my enemy for my actions. Enlarge this metaphor, if you will, to encompass EDSA, and change the brick to traffic. It's just stupid."
- exact thoughts. They're just too illogical.

Beng01

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #121 on: September 02, 2015, 12:38:29 pm »
Hi mga sis, we cannot blame you for the different reactions, mostly negative. Because of that we apologize, but we also want you to know na meron kaming really deep reason kung bakit kami nagrally ng ganun katagal. 

http://www.manilatimes.net/reap-the-whirlwind-whats-behind-the-inc-revolt/214373/

Thank you mga sis


chicafabulosa

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lovemeagain30

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #123 on: September 02, 2015, 04:56:06 pm »
Sa mga members dito na INC next time "Don't Surprise the people" -- especially those who are not involved in your Church. People started attacking your belief when nobody can explain to them what exactly is going on. Kung walang naperwishu I'm sure walang magrereklamo. You guys owe a Clear explanation about what happened to Edsa unless nalang those reasons are not also clear from the members itself.

If the answers they will get from your side would be "Di niyo kasi kami naiintindihan" or "Wala kayong alam at wag na kayo makisali pa", abay wala talagang makakaintindi sainyo.  Lalo na kung ang sagot ng representative niyo ay " We're sorry but Blame the Government", ayos di ba?? Isa pa people will really not just accept the idea of your fight for Separation of Church and State..and probably, you guys know the "obvious" reason why.. 2016 election is almost near and that same reason will be again--obvious.

 
« Last Edit: September 02, 2015, 04:57:50 pm by lovemeagain30 »

summersong

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #124 on: September 02, 2015, 04:58:05 pm »
Unlike other large gatherings, people had not been properly informed ahead of time. Walang plano, walang abiso, walang oras para makapag-organize ang mga kinaukulan para mareroute ang traffic ng maayos pati ibang mga kailangang detalye.

People may have a right to air their grievances, but not while trampling others' rights at the same time. I had been stuck in traffic for hours as well last weekend, but I was thinking more of people who needed to use the road to acquire emergency medical care, the mother who needed to bring medication home to her daughter who was having an asthma attack, the sick who had not been able to make it to their dialysis treatments, doctors and patients who did not make it to surgery. Their health and their lives had been compromised because of the actions of a few.

Papaanong hindi magagalit ang mga tao sa kanila. If they have trouble with the government, there are proper ways and channels to address it. What they did was like a person having a tiff with a man yet pettily choosing to unleash his wrath on the man's little son. And when the son asks why, he's told "You know nothing. You're too little to understand, it's between your dad and me. In the meantime just grin and bear it." ?! What the frack.

For a group who supposedly follow and instill the holiest of teachings, they are showing that they haven't really learned much at all.


three8one

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #125 on: September 02, 2015, 05:56:18 pm »
Is it true na kaya natapos ng di oras ang rally ng mga INC is because they found out na kakasuhan na sila ng sedition ng gobyerno?

chicafabulosa

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« Reply #126 on: September 02, 2015, 06:07:41 pm »
Is it true na kaya natapos ng di oras ang rally ng mga INC is because they found out na kakasuhan na sila ng sedition ng gobyerno?

Not sure lang. Kasi yung two INC friends ko na I unfriended posted Victory daw eh. So ano yung victory na sinasabi nila?

Beng01

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #127 on: September 02, 2015, 06:30:44 pm »
Thank you for the response mga sis. Yes heavy traffic caused so so much trouble and that we dont like it also. We dont like na yung mga tao madamay, na na stuck sa traffic for hours and we are not happy also about it. We dont like yung may namatay dahil hindi nadala sa hosp on time, etc.

But i hope you dont hate hate hate us that much. Coz we are not bad people, we are good who just happened to be INC, we dont want killings. We are not the Iraqi people na nagpupugot ng ulo and yet sukdulan ang galit nyo samin. Na kulang na lang patayin nyo kami sa galit.

Again, INC sa kabuuan ay hindi masama, kulto evil at iba pa.

Please also think na kaliwat kanan ang natatanggap naming cyber bullyings from other people, how they hate us, how they despise us.

We are just ordinary filipino like you.

Ok to you our rally is not really forgivable, but dont put all the blame to us, kasi the government ang hindi "naging matuwid" sa "daan na matuwid" daw nila.

We apologize for the inconvenience at sa lahat ng abala ng rally namin. But I hope you also think na hindi kami criminal na you hate so much. Hindi kami masamang tao, we just need to do it kasi sobra na ang govt natin na they want to manghimasok sa internal na prob ng Iglesia. And if it happened, unti unti na nilang mamanipulahin ang Iglesia, pakikialaman na nila ang pananalapi namin at lahat ng activities. We are for unity, we think and move as one, we vote as one. So hindi kami papayag na panghimasukan ng pamahalaan, na utusan kami ng govt who to vote for or who to not to vote, so we need to rally.

Again, we have our sentiments, how important it is to us to do it. Maybe being an Iglesia Ni Cristo is "not right" walang pakialam to many. Just please dont put all the blame to us.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2015, 06:37:40 pm by Beng01 »

quennna

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #128 on: September 02, 2015, 06:43:51 pm »
baket panay link, di ba pwede, inc member na rin mismo mag explain..

three8one

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #129 on: September 02, 2015, 06:50:59 pm »
Not sure lang. Kasi yung two INC friends ko na I unfriended posted Victory daw eh. So ano yung victory na sinasabi nila?

nabasa ko lang din may nag share ng post ng isang INC member na sinasaway nya mga co members nya wag daw sila masyado matapang kasi buong iglesia daw ang nakataya, kaya natigil ang rally ay dahil posibleng makasuhan sila ng rebellion.

shygirlme

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #130 on: September 02, 2015, 07:29:59 pm »
Sis yung link na ilang beses mo pinost, may nag post na nyan dito, di pa din namin maintindihan since inc ka baka pwede mo iexplain, hindi naman namin sinasabi na masama kayong tao, may mga naperwisyo lang kayo.

FOURever

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #131 on: September 02, 2015, 07:36:52 pm »
Sorry pero di ko pa rin maintindihan. Nung nagpost ako na bibigyan ba ako ng excuse letter ng INC dahil late ako sa duty ko (7 days duty ang kapalit HA!) Inaway na ako. Nakakalungkot lang sila na nakaperwisyo, sila pa ganyan umasta

chicafabulosa

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #132 on: September 02, 2015, 07:39:36 pm »
But is it right na manakit ng ibang tao (Leana Fiel) , manira, mamhampas kayo ng mga sasakyan na dadaan. First hand experience was hinampas ng may flag ng INC kotse ko. So if ever lang di ako outnumbered baba ako kaso masyado kayong matatapang sa EDSA at that time. Galit kayo sa government anong kinalaman ng kotse ko sa inyo?

lovemeagain30

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« Reply #133 on: September 02, 2015, 07:40:39 pm »
Ironically, my bestfriend in college is an INC!  ;) yep I NEVER had issues with her belief and in fact she's always invited in my home. kahit sa binyag ng anak ko andun din siya eh.Nung nagka rally nga sa Edsa I asked her, " Oi asan ka?? Baka nasa TV ka ah!" . She said "wala umuwi nalang ako ng probinsya! ".

The reason why we get along so much it's because she's not close minded at all. If she cant explain it, she would rather shut up. She never also bullied me with Catholic issues--not even as a joke. She never even mentioned to me na "sila lang pala ang maliligtas!" at may "dagat dagatang apoy sa mga non believers at tiwalag". nun nalaman ko to sa FB ang reaction ko is parang really? I've known you for 15 years and you never told me!  ;D I assumed the way she knows me, I wouldn't probably believe her. :)

Bottomline, we don't hate you guys. What we hate is what you did because for me, it's bullying and intimidating the government like a child throwing out tantrums. It's like saying we are "untouchables". I don't get it why kaso palang ang ihahain it's already assumed na pati pera ng simbahan niyo ay pakikialaman na? Hindi ba naman masyadong advance of way of thinking yan? Is that what your ministers from Sanggunian are telling you? Kasi sa relihiyon ko kung may na violate na human rights ang tao ng simbahan, dinadaan yan sa due process ng law. We are expecting pa nga na pagbabayarin ng taong simbahan ang crime na nagawa niya... Yes lalo na kung rape or molestation yan I'm all for them to put behind bars. After all no one should be above the law. We don't assume immediately na makikialam na agad ang gobyerno sa pamamahala ng simbahan namin or the least pakialaman ang pagboto namin sa election.. heck No! San naman nanggaling lahat ng assumptions na yun? Masyado naman yatang summarize at advance lahat. Makes us wonder why so defensive about it? Hindi naman siguro eto ang kapalit ng pag endorse niyo ng kandidato ang wag kayo pakialaman in return?

Anyway, sis whatever floats your boat then so be it. yun lang wag kayo mamwersiyo ng ibang tao at mambully ng hindi niyo ka relihiyon. I'm so pissed off lang na pati yung Pope at Black Nazarene ay nadadamay sa mga rason niyo ma justify lang sa problemang nagawa niyo. Those are scheduled events okay. yours are not.

 

quennna

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #134 on: September 02, 2015, 07:48:27 pm »
yung isang friend ko, nagpost abot eating dinuguan..
"LAHAT NG KUMAKAIN NG DUGO AY KALABAN NG DIYOS!
No exception, kahit sino ka pa!"

nag post ako sa wall ko ng goldilock dinuguan with puto.. g.r.r.

j.adore

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #135 on: September 02, 2015, 08:02:43 pm »
Hi mga sis, we cannot blame you for the different reactions, mostly negative. Because of that we apologize, but we also want you to know na meron kaming really deep reason kung bakit kami nagrally ng ganun katagal. 

http://www.manilatimes.net/reap-the-whirlwind-whats-behind-the-inc-revolt/214373/

Thank you mga sis

Sis, if this is the deep reason behind the rally, how come you are calling out De Lima (placards etc.) instead of Roxas? If you want to "fight" against the yellow company, why not simply not vote their members? That will hurt them real bad instead of "hurting" your fellow men by rallying in EDSA unannounced.

This is a sad news..


http://www.wheninmanila.com/viral-netizen-shares-story-of-how-a-friends-mother-died-because-of-edsa-traffic/

"Mom died at a hospital" means the mother didn't die because of traffic but during? Nasa hospital kasi so more on sickness rather than the traffic itself?

Please also think na kaliwat kanan ang natatanggap naming cyber bullyings from other people, how they hate us, how they despise us.

This goes both ways. I've seen a lot of INC posts how they bully those who air out their sentiments over what happened (kahit na hindi naman nangbully yung iba maayos ang statements nila). How they hate and despise those who stand up for their opinions.. Several even got death threats from INC members.

I know there are good people in INC but meron din bad. One can't generalize but recognize what's happened and see the facts.



People are blaming INC mainly for the traffic and the impact it had to several days of their lives. It's not what the government did to you etc. Everyone has a right to freedom of speech however, there is a proper venue and procedure for that. Hindi yung surprise! May rally sorry sa traffic pero meron talaga kami pinaglalaban (which no member can explain in their own words).

INC hasn't owned up to the traffic caused and the consequences to people (pasensya cannot bring back time, money, energy etc. wasted). Blame game won't help and the explanations do not either so people just get more irate over what happened over the long weekend.



Disclaimer lang: I do not mean to bash. I respect religion kasi yun ang tinuro sa amin. Everything I'm saying is coming from someone who just really do not understand.
So yeah, until such time na lumabas na yung explanation na magtatally ang motive at rason sa rally, ok lang sa akin masabihan na "wala akong alam" at "di ko lang kasi naiintindihan".
Walang gusto magshare eh what can we do. I just hope consideration for fellowmen will be priority.

chicafabulosa

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« Reply #136 on: September 02, 2015, 08:08:58 pm »
Sis j have you seen the tweet? It says there his friend's mom died because the ambulance cant get through EDSA. But according to the news they cannot identify yet if the FB post was related to the tweet.

three8one

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« Reply #137 on: September 02, 2015, 08:16:49 pm »
Yung punto sana ng INC na dapat hindi muna nakarating sa DOJ yung kaso. na dapat sa piskalya muna o sa nasasakupang lugar muna. kung yun ang nga pinaglalaban nila ah, accepted na sakin. kaya lang hindi sa kanila ko mismo nabasa yung statement na ganun eh. sa isang non-INC member pa din. para sa mga member ng INC wag sana kayo magsawa o mapagod sa kapapaliwanag sa mga naperwisyo nyo ng dahilan ng pinaglalaban nyo para bukod sa pakuha nyo ang simpatya eh maunawaan at unawain kayo pero ang lumalabas kasi, ah kung di kayo member mag member muna kayo para maunawaan nyo kami kung hindi bahala na kayo sa buhay nyo, kung hindi kayo member wala kayong karapatan malaman yun. asan ang humility? asan ang pagpapakumbaba? asan ang pagsunod sa katuruan?

brandi

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #138 on: September 02, 2015, 08:18:06 pm »
Hindi naman nila alam lahat kung ano nangyayari. Kaya nga nung minsan nanunuod ako news at tinanong kung ano pinaglalaban nila, ang sagot was, pinapunta lang daw sila doon ng ministro nila. What a shame! Such narrowminded people, how come they don't know how to decide for themselves.

Regarding the usual answer that we got from their members na, "hindi niyo kami maiintindihan", it was a script that they were instructed to say kase hindi naman talaga alam nila lahat kung ano ba talaga meron. I have a Catholic friend who has an INC stepmom, kaya niya alam. His siblings doesn't even like to be one of those people kaso they have no choice since it was their mom's order. Actually, tumatakas pa yung mga siblings niya para mag attend ng Catholic mass kase they don't feel freewill with the kind of faith and preachings that out of the blue group. He said that the only one who has access to the bible is the minister. That, im not sure. And i dont have any interest of finding out and joing their prayer meetings (i attend Christian bible studies even if i am not a born again Christian). What's absurd is how they contradict each verses in the bible. Imagine, they waste time looking for errors in the bible? Why don't they create their own like Quran na believable Naman. Tapos they will say na nakikisawsaw ang ibang religions not only Catholic per se, but look who's making sawsaw in the holy bible?

I also have a friend that i got pissed off years ago because she kept on telling that they will be the only one who will be saved. It's just like euthanasia. Who are we to end one's life. In the lgbt community, who are we to judge. So same thing with them. Who are they to tell that they are the only ones who will be saved they dont even know the word of God because everything's kept from them. How will they be able to know the truth if they can't even read the bible? Yung mga contradictions, how can they question it?

I also have another Ccatholic friend who accompanied his friends to their so called Samba. So pinakilala siya sa ibang members and told him that he made the right choice. So tatagalugin ko kahit nakokornihan ako sa pandinig. Tama ka ng desisyon. Nandito ang katotohanan. When he was telling me taht, natatawa talaga ako. Ang creepy ng dating nakakatakot.

Sadly, people nowadays think of ways on how can they be saved. Yes, even Catholics give tithes. It is a reponsibility not an obligation. It is a way of giving back. It is NEVER a basis that you will be saved.

I"m still thankful that even some of my INC friends are still in that group, they are still rational, open minded, and decide for their own unlike the other pathetic and hypocrite members.

Funny how they were able to say about the papal visit, feast of black nazarene and so on. Hello??? Common sense please. Hindi nabibili ang common sense. Talagang kinumpara ha? Those events just so they know were planned. It always take months of preparation and planning for traffic alternate routes. Everything's well coordinated. And just so they know, to my surprise, i have a lot of INC members friends who even went to the papal visit. Nakaka touch kasi when i listened to their experience, na iba yung na feel nila and so on, nakakatuwa lang. Wala talagang makakapag dikta ng faith ng isang tao. And even yung mga santo at rebulto na akala nila e sinasamba natin? It all boils down sa faith ng isang tao. They are just mere representations and hindi sila sinasamba. Yung mga taong halos magpakamatay makalapit sa Nazarene? It could be because of their overwhelming faith but it doesn't mean na sinasamba yung rebulto na yun. Pero dahil ang turo nga sa kanila eh sinasamba ng mga Catholics yung mga rebulto, then so be it.

There are still a lot of "horror" stories to share. Space might not be enough.

izabelle

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Re: INC Rally in EDSA
« Reply #139 on: September 03, 2015, 12:54:25 am »
Hindi ako yung tipo ng tao na pala comment pagdating sa religion kasi para sa akin kanya kanyang paniniwala yan at respeto lang ang katapat ng lahat ng bagay.

However, yung nangyari last week, GRABE talaga! hindi na ito tungkol sa religion. Yung perwisyo na dinulot ng rally na yan, sorry for the term pero nakakagalit talaga. Ang mas nakakaasar doon, yung iba sa kanila has the audacity to even ask ano ba daw perwisyo nagawa nila e matagal na daw traffic sa Edsa?

MY GOODNESS!!! Hindi talaga magets ng iba sa kanila kung anong perwisyo ginawa nila? Yun na nga matagal ng traffic, issue naman talaga ang traffic, dumagdag pa sila sa traffic. Natural mas naging malala.

Basta ang sa akin lang, kung may gusto sila paglaban, gumora sila pero please lang, huwag sila mamerwisyo ng mga tao na walang kinalaman sa kung ano man trip nila sa buhay! hindi lang sila ang tao sa Pilipinas!!!  :P

 

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