IVF Kato Repro Biotech Center thread2

[chiclet_24]

@jaggedlilpilled5 yan nga din and iniisip ni hubby na baka magnatural kamr tas waley di ... Laya naisip nya mag pa minimal atleast madaming eggs ang makuha tapos we can try again if failed or if ever mag successful eh di may isa pa kameng anak na naka frozen for next year...

Tama ba yung intindi ko na kelangan lahat ng i papafrozen na embryo eh kelangan matransfer diba ?

[au_chic]

^ideally, yes, lahat ng naka-freeze mas ok kung itransfer kasi potential children mo pa rin sila several months ago diba, nabalita yung ex ni Sofia Vergara na he sued her kasi she had their embryos destroyed.


"Unethical" iyon, technically. Pero for me, they're your embryos, so it's your choice Although not re-freezing them after mag-expire ang stay nila sa freezer would technically "destroy" them

@au_chic Sis, parang nakasabay kita sis sa Kato, feeling ko lang. Where you there June 30th?

Hi sis Dido! July 2 ata ako nag embryo transfer Kato baka kamukha ko lang? hehe. kelan balik mo? BFN rin ako pero balik agad the next cycle hehe. low ovarian reserve na rin kasi

[jaggedlilpill5]

Sisses au_chic & chiclet_24

Oo nga eh. I had 4 blastocysts and 1 embryo. Nung kinausap ako ng embryologist, sabi sakin, sana daw balikan ko pa din yung ibang blastocysts in case na mabuntis ako. "Gawin natin ang dapat gawin ng isang kristiyano", sabi nya hehe

[mamacita]

Para sa akin, syempre dapat gamitin lahat ng embryo kasi parang baby na yun sila eh. Kawawa naman if itatapon or ipapa thaw mo nalang sila basta basta. Ok lang na bayaran yung pagfreeZe sa kanila taon taon. Ako nga yung plan namin if nagpositive yung 1st ivf ko, after 6 months na pagpanganak ko ilagay na agad yung isang natira hehe

Sana pala idiscuss lahat ng options ng KATO sa patients, like yung endometrial scratching and tractocile. Naisip ko lang nman what if ginawa na yun nung first ivf transfer ko, malay mo nagpositive sana. Since gumastos na din naman lubusin na. Pero siguro case to case basis at ayaw na din nila madagdagan ang gastos ng patients nila. Pero what if ginawa nila yun?

Yung kasabay ko na nag embryo transfer na 44 years old nag message sa akin today. Bumaba daw yung hcg nya, hindi daw kaya na gamutin kasi baby daw ang nagpoproduce ng hcg. Na sad ako. Kasi nung una super happy na kasi siya na nag positive tapos ngayon nawala naman baby nya. Wala na din sya embryo kaya back to step 1 na naman siya.

Sana soon ibigay na ni God yung ating mga babies ü

[iHeartYah]

Hi everyone. I've been trying to post here pero the modertor won't approve my message kasi it's been a long time since my last post. Sana the moderator will let me na. I really want to join your discussion.

I guess I can post now. Binura kasi yung post ko ng history ng TTC ko. I think mga 6 years ako last nag post dito female network, noong planning kami ng wedding. I just want to share to you guys what I'm going through. Hubby and I were HS sweetheart and we got married at 21. Syempre enjoy and travel muna and at 25 we started TTC. More than a year wala parin. I went to a doctor na. I have regular period pero I have PCOS daw. The only symptoms that I can tell is I don't lose weight kahit I always exercise.

We did 6 IUIs, all failed. We did IVF-ICSI last March, all 13 eggs fertilized, 11 matured and transferred 1 day 5 3BB embryo, but BFN. I had an autoimmune testing, all normal. We did FET and transferred 1 6day 4BB and still BFN. Finally, I was tested for natural killer cells and it came back elevated. We are doing another FET and transfer my last two frozen embryos next month. I will do intralipids infusion before transfer. I asked the doctor rin if husband and I could be tested for alloimmune testing, yung HLA DQa. I think LAT ito sa Philippines.  Now we will wait a week for the results. Pray for me that I'll get my BFP soon.

This is really a difficult process. I am really hoping this coming cycle will work. After noon I'm not sure pa muna. Maybe we'lll take a break, hope for a miracle and if not, I'll save and go home to the Philippines na lang and do treatments there. Kasi LIT can be done there diba. Saka IVF treatments are so expensive where I live. Is Kato cheaper than Carmi? How about the success rates? Sino sa inyo have activated natural killer cells? What was/is your treatment for that? Thanks everyone and sorry dahil maraming out of topic.

[iHeartYah]

Hi sis Dido! July 2 ata ako nag embryo transfer Kato baka kamukha ko lang? hehe. kelan balik mo? BFN rin ako pero balik agad the next cycle hehe. low ovarian reserve na rin kasi

Acupuncture, DHEA and CoQ10 helps egg quality. Kaso dapat started 3 months before IVF. Pero mag frozen embryo transfer ka ata. I'm new to the thread 

[mamacita]

Welcome iHeartYah ü

[au_chic]

Welcome iHeartYah ^_^ I have a google sheet of our detailed expenses in carmi and kato. If you want to view it, just PM your gmail so you can compare them

Kato is the most inexpensive fertility clinic in the country, as far as I know. According to my gyne-onco, there are only 4 fertility clinics in the Philippines: Carmi, Kato, Victory (?) in Manila and the one in Cebu. A friend said her whole IVF process in Cebu cost 1 million pesos pero BFN pa rin

Yes, I have been already taking DHEA 75mg/day (GNC brand, 25mg/tab) the past few months My FSH went from 22 in February 2015 to 13 in June 2015. Normal range is below 10.

I just haven't found enough studies supporting CoQ10's benefits yet. With DHEA, marami nang promising researches

[mamacita]

@iHeartYah - i have immuno problem-- category 1, 2 and 5. Category 5 is the NK cells, although as per my immunologist, my NK is just 18, not so high kasi sa kanya is 32, we had to do LIT pa din. Done with my LIT naman, 4 sessions lang. And then LAT is borderline lang pero we did everything before transfer, intralipid and innohep injectable but still BFN. Prepping for my 2nd transfer next week naman, this time 2x kami mag intralipid. Tapos na yung 1st intralipid last july 4, and the 2nd intralipid will be a day before transfer. Then innohep and prednisone and aspilet (for APAS)

[iHeartYah]

Thanks mamacita and au_chic

I will pm you au_chic. Even with insurance helping I've already spent $13,000 US dollars including the coming FET. Thank God he provided because last year I went to the doctor just for a check up and no clue that I will go through this journey. I really want to get a BFP and give birth before 30. Sabi lang kasi diba nila mas okay.

I will share to you over the counter meds that are part of my clinic's IVF protocol. I think this is for low ovarian reserve or over 35. I have not tried these:
DHEA 25mg, one in am, two in pm
Maca Root, take 5 500 mg capsules a day
Royal Bee Jelly, take 2 1,000 capsules twice a day
CoQ10, 600 mg every other day

What I take:
750mg Metformin
Prenetal
Low dose/baby Aspirin
Folic Acid with B12
Fish Oil with DHEA
B6

[iHeartYah]

Mamacita, I will update you paano yung intralipids treatment ko, alam ko once lang. I will take medrol(steroids) 16 mg, 5 days before transfer. I have hysteroscopy next week, where they do endo scratch, biopsy and mock transfer. Tapos next next week yung baseline appt ko. Ganoon talaga, according to studies, be prepared talaga to do at least 3 IVFs before success pero ang nakakainis dito, too late sila mag check ng lahat ng immune testing. Edi sana unang IVF pa lang part na ng protocol mo yung dapat tapos pag fail, adjustments na lang. Ngayon tuloy 3rd IVF-FET ko na saka pa lang ako mag intralipids. Hindi pa nga dapat ako i te test sa HLA DQa, I insisted lang.  I searched online naman, there are few clinics who really believes and fully supports all immune problems. Problem yan sa mga nag IVF dito na may immune problems. Kaso wala na akong insurance coverage for these treatments kasi nagamit ko na. Kaya sana mag BFP na. Kasi kung BFN ulit and If I go out of state to one of those clinics, super malaking gastos. It will take me time to save for that. Kaya I'd like to check Kato or Carmi, but hopefully talaga di na umabot doon.

My NK K-562 target cell test is 13.9 when they tested. Normal ata is 10 pero they prefer 8.5 to those TTC. Nag positive ka sa isang APAS, tama ba? Category 2? I'll pray for you and your treatments. Sana we will both get our BFP soon.

[mamacita]

@iHeartYah: sis yes positive din ako sa Apas, medyo mataas ü hinabol namin yung LIT before mag 1st transfer, then 1 intralipid din pero BFN pa din. As per immuno, baka sa embryo na or sa implantation nagka problema kasi covered na ako sa lahat ng gamot ng immuno problem ko. Gagawin lang 2x intralipid this month dahil baka makatulong na maging ok yung environment ng uterus ko before transfer, dapat once lang talaga pero wala naman mawawala if gagawin yung 2nd a day before transfer para mas super ok at magsteady muna mga NK cells ko. Done with endo scratching na din. Medyo masakit ü pero nakaya naman. Pero masakit haha. Sorry, hindi ko lang kasi makalimutan yung sakit.

[iHeartYah]

@mamacita Naku, pang 5 hysteroscopy ko na ito. Before my IUIs, di natuloy na IVF, then every IVF ginagawa. Nasanay na ata ako pero yes, masakit. Sigurista naman yung doctor and clinic ko except sa immune issues. Actually very controversial pa ang immune issues(Category 1&5) dito sa US. Doctors like Beer, Braverman, Kwak Kim and Sher ang talagang believer nito. Dr. Beer died already, he is the author of the book "Is your body baby friendly?". I just ordered this book. I saw online that Dr. Ed Lim, immunologist in Manila trained with Dr. Beer daw.

Accdg to my doctor 3 reasons daw bakit nag fail ang IVF, if everything else is perfect
1. embryo transfer problem (bihira naman ito mangyari kasi they do embryo mock transfer/ catheter fitting)
2. immune issues
3. genetics or chromosome abnormality ng embryo (mas common ito pag older daw pero kahit mas bata may chance parin)

[angeleyes98]

Hi mga sis.

Regards to everyone. Been seeing the posts and it's been challenging to say the least. I just hope we'll all get our baby dust soon in His time. 

Went back to KATO yesterday for BHCG after my DAY 5 blastocyst FET last 09 July. My level is only 0.6. Sabi ni Dr. Perillo, she still can't 100% rule out na BFN because they had one patient who was at the same level as me and she had a successful pregnancy. So now, I'm still on meds and awaiting another test on Sunday. Haaaay, I don't know how to feel but I want to stay positive. Kaya lang, I'm just thinking to take a home PT on Sunday and get it over with. Sayang din kasi yung cost ng B-HCG.

Anyway, if I do another round of FET, pwede ba i-transfer and day 2 cleavage and day 5 blasto ng sabay? I have two embryos that are still stored. Or dapat ba ipapamature muna so that both embryo will bey Day 5 blast? How soon should you do the next cycle of IVF, if ever? Is there an ideal time frame for it?

Sorry, daming questions but I just want to get your opinions din.

[iHeartYah]

Hi angeleyes98. If your transfer of a DAY 5 blastocyst was July 9, parang ang aga naman to check HCG ng 5 days lang. Kasi syempre frozen yung embryo and I wonder if they did assisted hatching. Mas matagal mag implant pag frozen kesa fresh transfer. The ones I know usually do pregnancy test after 7 days para mas sure na nag re release na ng HCG. Some people get a positive rin naman after 5 days. Sa clinic ko pag frozen embryo transfer, they do HCG after 10 days and is <2 is negative. Kaya ka pinapabalik ng Sunday kasi yun yung sure na kasi naka 10 days na. I actually do pregnancy test right before my BETA para ready na ako. Kung negative, ready na ako somehow to accept when they call although I still hope. Pero never nangyari na negative test ko pero positive BETA ko.

As for another round of FET. Let us say, you are not pregnant. Go over muna with the doctor why you did not get pregnant. Maybe you neeed other test? Another treatment? Kung hindi naman. You can do FET right away, it's up to you if you're ready. There's no problem in transferring 2. Take in consideration your age and history of twins in your family. And embryo can split lalo na pag assisted hatching, triplets and quadruplets? Kung ako papipiliin I'll choose to transfer both. No need to do extended culture kasi isa lang naman yung Day 2 mo. They say embryos do better inside our uterus kesa petri dish. Kaya kunwari yung ibang nag pa IVF(not natural or mini IVF) na ages 35+, 3 eggs lang nakuha or 3 lang nag fertilized. They do not wait ng day 5 na, they transfer everything na agad.

[katbercad]

Hi mga sis.

Regards to everyone. Been seeing the posts and it's been challenging to say the least. I just hope we'll all get our baby dust soon in His time. 

Went back to KATO yesterday for BHCG after my DAY 5 blastocyst FET last 09 July. My level is only 0.6. Sabi ni Dr. Perillo, she still can't 100% rule out na BFN because they had one patient who was at the same level as me and she had a successful pregnancy. So now, I'm still on meds and awaiting another test on Sunday. Haaaay, I don't know how to feel but I want to stay positive. Kaya lang, I'm just thinking to take a home PT on Sunday and get it over with. Sayang din kasi yung cost ng B-HCG.

Anyway, if I do another round of FET, pwede ba i-transfer and day 2 cleavage and day 5 blasto ng sabay? I have two embryos that are still stored. Or dapat ba ipapamature muna so that both embryo will bey Day 5 blast? How soon should you do the next cycle of IVF, if ever? Is there an ideal time frame for it?

Sorry, daming questions but I just want to get your opinions din.

Hi sis! Same tayo blastocyst transfer. Mababa din beta ko after 5 days of transfer.. 1.9 na lang. Pero after 5 days naging 87 then another 5 days 910 na. Pero i ended up ectopic pregnancy. Meron ako kasabay last time. 0.9 first beta niya. After 5 days nag negative na. Pero its case to case basis. Meron late implanter meron din naman na di nagtutuloy. Pero dont stress yourself too much thinking sis. Pero syempre you have to prepare youself sa mga pwede mangyayari. Dasal dasal lang tayo.

[katbercad]

And sis pag nag HPT ka, your hcg level should be 100 and above para madetect sa hpt. And faint line pa yun. Kasi ang dami ko din HPT una negative talaga since mababa bhcg. Tinanong ko kay doc sabi niya wag daw mag gaganon. Kasi mastress lang lalo. At ayun nga magiging positive lang talaga pag tumaas yung beta. Like 100 pataas.

[jaggedlilpill5]

angeleyes98

Sis, pag HRT protocol sa Kato, 5 days after blastocyst transfer ang b-hcg. Yung normal transfer is after 7 days. Day 2 embryo is after 12 days yata.

May cycle day ytang sinususunod for FET. Mine was trasferred at CD18. 2 blastocysts, HRT protocol.

[dette8888]

I just haven't found enough studies supporting CoQ10's benefits yet. With DHEA, marami nang promising researches

Whether you are TTC or not, CoQ10 is beneficial for anyone/everyone. It's not a supplement, meaning we have this in our body. But as we get older, nababawasan siya. Taking CoQ10 helps with cell regeneration. In my case, I believe it's one of the things that helped me a lot in conceiving. I was under natural IVF protocol because stimms wouldn't work on me, so I had to work on developing quality eggs.

As far as I understand, DHEA helps with quantity, while CoQ10 helps with quality.

[savion]

pasali ako girls ... 1st cycle ko sa kato fresh transfer is negative 2nd try frozen transfer thanks god at positive 1st beta is 96.5 then khapon 2nd beta is 1,435 blocked fallopian nga pla ako at inopera muna sya para alisin en ivf nlng ang tanging option ko para magkaanak at salamat sa dios at dininig ang aming panalangin keep pray girls nothing is imposiible to god baby dust to all!