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Tea97

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Share your experiences as a landlord
« on: June 15, 2015, 04:02:41 pm »
Do you have any experience as a landlord or property manager, or are you aware of someone's personal experience as a landlord? Are there any notable experiences you can share from purchase to finding tenants and the daily operations of renting out property/ies?

Are the problems that come with maintenance of rental property, problem tenants worth being a landlord? Are there any laws that can help smooth things out?

What are your best practices in property maintenance and looking for tenants? Is there an association of landlords, lobbying for the landlord and tenants' rights and transparency in the local/national government?

What are the safety nets or advice you can give to prevent the pitfalls/headaches of renting out properties?

Pretty_aye

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2015, 12:41:40 pm »
Hi sis based on my personal experience, I have a unit that was purchased last 2012 since then pina parent ko lang I already have 4 sets of tenant, my contract minimum of 6 months okey naman if ever my mga for repair pinapacheck ko agad sa maintenance ng building para ma address agad. I also dont require PDC they deposit lang sa account ko every month. SO far so good.  monthly amortization sa pag-ibig ng condo is 9k a month, monthly rental is 11500.  :)

snowberry

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2015, 04:26:10 pm »

^Hello sis ,  do you issue OR sa rent payment? 


Tea97

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2015, 10:05:11 pm »
^^lucky you @Pretty_Aye - hirap kaya nakaasa lang sa direct deposit - kasi hindi auto-deduction sa bank account ng tenant... Natapatan kami ng wais na broker di nagreremit ng rent ng tenant on time.... anyway, we're cutting our losses rightaway by removing the broker out of the picture. Hassle lang talaga kasi kelangan ko educate yun caretaker ng mum ko to help me out with the condo too. ayoko naman ipasa sa mum ko kasi matanda na yun and hirap magbyahe papunta ng makati.

Anyway, ngayon meron na akong questionnaire and weightings para sa tenant suitability.

Di you foresee any downward pressure on rent? Kasi dumadami na ang nagpapaupa sa Makati and Ortigas, and nearly everywhere where there are condo developments?

aquacharly

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2015, 11:47:46 pm »
Do you have any experience as a landlord or property manager, or are you aware of someone's personal experience as a landlord? Are there any notable experiences you can share from purchase to finding tenants and the daily operations of renting out property/ies?

Are the problems that come with maintenance of rental property, problem tenants worth being a landlord? Are there any laws that can help smooth things out?

What are your best practices in property maintenance and looking for tenants? Is there an association of landlords, lobbying for the landlord and tenants' rights and transparency in the local/national government?

What are the safety nets or advice you can give to prevent the pitfalls/headaches of renting out properties?

My main sideline to feather my secret accounts is property flipping and leasing.

As a landlord, here are my main operating points:

1.   I do not acquire rental property that will rent out for less than 70thou per month.   
Sa experience ng Lola  namin who owned different blocks of apartments renting to low-income to higher middle class -- the low rentals yielded the least profit but gave her the biggest aggravation.  So yan natutunan ko, no judgment.
I also do not buy rental property that is not within a well managed and secured village/townhouse compound/condo. A well managed association is a partner in monitoring that your tenant is following your rules as to use, no.of people residing.  It also prevents mga sudden departures of their furniture, etc. 

2.  I have a trusted broker on board every lease contract Zi enter into.
She deals with inquiries, has Serious potential renters fill up my background check forms, & does initial background checks.     She also insists on my requirement for a minimum 2 or 3 year lease contract, and gets the renter and me on the same page.

She also gives me good feedback and advice as to what current high-end renters are looking for. So her info is 1 of my major inputs to which properties to unload and/or buy and improve.

3.  I really do thorough background checks on the potential renter.   Check  with his banks, references, company, the Bu of Immigration if a foreigner, previous landlords, and the Credit Bureau (bounced checks, Estafa cases)

4.  My business is incorporated.   Even if you can't do that at the start -- be sure you can issue receipts.
A lot of renters now are so matapang if a lessor issues no receipts.  May mga  will strip your house/condo over not paying utilities and rent for months , and even destroy your house --  kasi  the BIR is another big problem if sumbong ka nila -- so that's their threat if you go after them.

5.  Have a comprehensive contract drawn up by a competent lawyer.
     I myself check the contract prior to signing to be sure no word or segment is altered or left out by my secretary.
     Once signed, be sure to have the contract notarized

6.  I  incorporate as attachments to the contract, any photos of the garden, exterior and interior as well as equipment & furniture that may go  with the house/townhouse/condo.  These are signed by me and the renter too, dated -- each and every photo.
Parang on turn-over, wala nang argument kung may sira, more than wear and tear, or missing/lost.
Mahirap kasi interpret what is ok or not if no photos.  Eh madali if may photos upon turn-over and the contract says:  return & turn-over to Lessor in the condition turned-over, less normal wear & tear.
You can even have the tenant pay for a neglected garden.  Mahal din plants and landscaping ha! 

7.  I am strict about security and rent deposits.  In addition, rent is paid in advance.  Mahigpit din ako with  rent payments.   I require PDCs.  My accountant in charge of depositing the checks does so within the first 3 days of the month.  So, within the first 3 days -- she pretends to be out of the office to avoid taking any calls for requests to delay deposit.  PAg bounce, deposit agad.  My lawyer writes after the 2nd bounce & gives 7 days to give cash payment or else we will have the house/townhouse/condo padlocked and hindi sila puedeng pumasok sa premises. 

8.  As a landlord, you must also be vigilant in the preservation of your property.
     My accountant chcks every 15th if the monthly dues and utilities are updated.
     She goes to check once a month with a male assistant of mine on the rented properties to see if anything contradicts our contract, or any repairs to the house must be done
    We have quarterly pest control. 
     If there is a swimming pool, we provide the person who services it 3x a week, including chemicals -- chargeable to the tenant.

9.  An impt part of my contract is the 2month transition to turn over period.
My contract minimum is 2 years, thereafter - renewable on an annual basis.
If a lease will not be renewed -- inform me at least 2 months before contract end.
My contract provides that I can already show to prospective tenants, and undertake repairs during this period.
It also states that the last 7 days -- the property must be free of all furniture and equipment and the tenant/his staff  focuses on cleaning parang 2 days before turn over - spic and span as we turned it over at the start (except normal wear and tear). 
   
We again photograph whatever violates our contract upon turnover para Walang confusion on the amount of the security deposit to be returned by me. 

10.  There have been instances I decide to keep a property vacant, until I get a good tenant. 
IMO,  better zero income and expenses quesa greater probable expenses and aggravation later on with a lousy tenant.

11.   If you cannot manage or oversee your rental property -- do not go into this business.   Ma baboy lang your asset.  Sure, I have an accountant, a maintenance crew on call, and a male go-fer checking up for me. I have systems in place. BUT I check on these people.  I  require those checking for me to give me monthly videos/photos.  I do monthly accounting checks; and at least every 3 months -- do an ocular inspection myself. 

12.  Be systematic and conscientious with even just 1 rental property.  That can easily grow to many more if you can handle it well.

13.  My personal rule:  I don't borrow money for properties I buy and/or rent out.  But that's just my preferred strategy for maximizing my opportunities and investment returns.
Others may have other strategies -- good for them;  there are many ways to skin a cat ika nga. 


Good luck.  Kaya yan basta matiaga, ma pasensya and trust your common sense (hwag pa bobola sa nice words ng wannabe-renter).


mxherr5

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 01:07:31 am »
Can you tell me more about number 4?

I know that's true because I've seen a number of posts
asking if they can go after their landlord because they
weren't issued any receipts.

But then again it looks like this is a full time business for you.
I read that if rental income does not exceed 10,000 then it's
not subject to the 3% percentage tax nor the 12% VAT.

I'm planning to have my unit rented as I will be upgrading
to a bigger place, just to offset the monthly amortization.

I'll probably issue a receipt but not an OR.

Tea97

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2015, 10:31:10 am »
Thanks @Aquacharly Sounds like a very well-oiled money making machine :)

Just curious re Credit Bureau - how and where can we access info from this? Sana nga meron lahat ng mga employees ng credit report, pero i find that's not common.

@mxherr5 - let me know what else you find out. I'm looking for a part time/contract book keeper to handle the tax man, just in case. Baka may exception naman kapag under P10k na mo rent, kasi subject to rent control na yun di ba - kawawa naman yun landlord lalo na kung tipong bedspacer lang yun, and too difficult to track by the tax man. Will share with you what I can find out on the current rental income taxation. Good luck!

aquacharly

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2015, 12:06:12 pm »
Can you tell me more about number 4?

But then again it looks like this is a full time business for you.
I read that if rental income does not exceed 10,000 then it's
not subject to the 3% percentage tax nor the 12% VAT.


What specifically about No.4? :)

No, this is not my full-time business.  It is a sideline; but I think it merits the order and management of my main business -- otherwise, I should just prudently freeze my funds in savings accounts.   
IMO, any business should be managed competently -- it is not an issue of no. Of hours but the time & attention the business complexity & level requires.

I am sorry I do not know the exemptions of small rentals.  From the start of this sideline, I decided that for me to be successful with it -- it should be at a level that could support a core staff.  Yes, at times it is frustrating coz it seems the govt gets a big share  of the net profits at zero cost/effort. Oh well. 


Just curious re Credit Bureau - how and where can we access info from this? Sana nga meron lahat ng mga employees ng credit report, pero i find that's not common.


I have an investment in a Lending Investor -- we have access to the Credit Bureau. 
A search there reveals if a person or company has outstanding bounced checks


Let me just clarify what is usually overlooked  -- hindi como say bed space or below 10thou lang ang rent eh hands off na ang BIR.  The low rent may exempt a landlord from issuing ORs, but whatever you earn there is part of  the income you gotta declare.

So, I know of someone who rents out bed spaces for 2thou per month.  But she operates 3 apartments of 20 bedspacers.  Only 1 bed spacer reported her for not issuing an OR --  katakot takot na ipit ginawa sa kanya ng BIR.  That may be an extreme case -- but well, the principle operating there is undeclared income.

Same if a landlord rents out say 3 rooms at 4thou each.  1 of my accountants naipit din dyan. 

What am I trying to say? Ingat lang. As your business grows, mind the effect on your gross income.

mxherr5

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2015, 04:28:26 am »
^

The part where you pay taxes to the BIR.
I plan on upgrading and will rent out my existing
unit but I want to make sure everything is above board.

All of the articles I've read only mention amilyar and
not income taxes.

With the amount of people renting out their places(as
an additional source of income and not a main business)
why is it sooo hard to find a guide on how to pay taxes

I've emailed BIR and haven't heard back, baka pati yung
frontliner ng BIR hindi rin alam hehe

Tea97

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2015, 06:34:38 am »
@mxherr5, try this one, dated May-2013 but I find useful/clear on what needs to be accomplished and the qualifier for the vat/non-vat charges. I'd still suggest consulting with an accountant, kahit one hour consultation lang, it shouldnt cost you over P2500 for a one hour one to one consultation.
 
http://thriftypinoy.com/2013/03/tax-on-rental-properties-in-the-philippines/

I find that the rental tax laws in PH are archaic - no incentive for small business to file taxes, no exemptions sa rates, and a little drastic about any income you make. In europe, meron threshold na exempted from filing taxes, where a landlord gets all of the gross rental income, provided that the leased property is within his home (eg. room/s for rent). Sa atin, straight bayad agad, parang transaction charge. Same for CapGains tax, which is really a misnomer, kasi kahit magkano pa ang kinita or nalugi sayo, same 6% pa rin ang payable sa gobyerno. E kung binentang palugi di dapat wala nang tax di ba...... oh well.

Annie M.

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2015, 05:13:08 pm »
Anyway, ngayon meron na akong questionnaire and weightings para sa tenant suitability.

sis, saan mo nakuha yung questionnaire and weightings na yan? pwedeng pa-share? thanks!

Annie M.

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2015, 05:29:01 pm »
another question. if you are not incorporated--say you only have one or two condo units  that you are renting out for passive income--how do you issue a receipt? 

kailangan pa ba mag-register sa dti and bir? or is an acknowledgment receipt enough?

Tea97

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2015, 06:37:36 am »
@Annie M - yun questionnaire/weightings I use is more like a profiling form. Una, I have to check if the tenant has the capacity to pay; and secondly, if things go wrong, I should know where and how to find the tenant.

So the questionnaire would have a section on information such as sino asawa nya, ano trabaho nila, san permanent address nila, office address. I also ask for COE and contact in HR to ask if necessary na walang doubtful character yun tao (kasi liability ko pa kapag nanggulo sa condo and neighbors). I also ask for character references or NBI clearance, government IDs.

Yun weightings naman depende sa target market mo - meron kasi na mid-high rate (eg. 20k up na mo rentals) that would favor foreign expats - dito naman, as long as you have a confirmation from their employer how long yun contract nila puede na. Mabait usually mga foreigner kasi lam nila nasa ibang lugar sila. Except na lang siguro yun isang lahi na singkit na nahahati ang bansa nila sa North and South - from experiences ng mga ibang landlord and hotels, magulo and makalat karamihan sa kanila, kasi puro bata and parang mga students pa. Other weightings would also go to how they will pay - PDC has heavier weighting than cash collection (medyo hassle pa to). Then length of time sa trabaho - siguro indicator lang para sa akin ito nang how stable they are with the company (normally basta over 6 mos or tapos na ng probationary period, good as permanent na sila sa career nila. mag mmove lang uli yan after a year.

Yun type of org for renting out, pareho tayo, nagsisimula pa lang, i currently have 3 in our portfolio. Pinapaayos ko na yun business registration, sa DTI lang sa akin kasi di ko na muna inincorporate. Meron mga deductibles na expenses (management expense, interest paid on loan, repairs, etc, tapos yun personal allowance ko pa and our 2 kids, so deductible ng P75k at least), so I'm expecting almost nil yun taxable income. But the way i understand it, when it is this case, 3% of gross revenue/rental ang iccharge....

Annie M.

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2015, 09:30:37 am »
^thanks, sis. this is super informative.

gagayahin kita. siguro it's time to professionalize this side businesses para maayos na from the start. who knows, baka mapalaki din namin.

mxherr5

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2015, 04:54:42 am »
@Tea Thanks for the link.
I also read about paying a 3% tax called the percentage
tax but BIR just replied back to me actually and they say it's
5%

Here's what they said

Dear Sir/Madam:

Greetings!  Thank you for communicating with the BIR Contact Center.

In reply, generally as stated in Section 2.57.2. Revenue Regulation 2-98, rentals is subject to 5% withholding tax as stated below.

SECTION 2.57.2. Income Payment Subject to Creditable Withholding Tax and Rates Prescribed Thereon. — Except as herein otherwise provided, there shall be withheld a creditable income tax at the rates herein specified for each class of payee from the following items of income payments to persons residing in the Philippines:

   xxx xxx

(C) Rentals — On gross rental for the continued use or possession of real property used in business which the payor or obligor has not taken or is not taking title, or in which he has no equity — Five percent (5%).

samtorini

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2015, 08:43:03 pm »
Thank you sa thread na ito. Dami ko natutunan. Newbie landlord here. 8 door APT pa lang.


So far ito challenges na na encounter ko:
1/ Magre-rent na akala ko 2 lang pero laging madaming bisita. Buong pamilya. Unfair sa ibang tenants syempre at sa amin din. Kasi ang singil namin sa water 100/head excluding visitors. Yung visitors nagtatagal ng weeks. Kaya sinita na namin.
2/ Mga nagc-celebrate pero di nagpapa-alam sa amin. Ok lang sana kung yung tenant namin ang celebrant. Pero ang celebrant eh yung pamangkin nya na di nakatira sa amin. Kaloka. hehe!


Salamat sa lessons. More pa sana. Thank you ^_^
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 08:44:51 pm by samtorini »

Tea97

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2015, 11:06:47 pm »
@samtorini -- medyo demanding sa oras and attention yang type ng rental business mo, pero tama ka dapat may 'house rules' ka na iimpose from the start - eg. how many persons allowed in the unit, and if may guests, how long sila allowed - especially since ang water e hindi nakametro, baka maging cause pa ng away yan. Maiintindihan din ng tenant yun eventually kasi the house rules are for their own benefit (eg. hindi siksikan, hindi madali maluma ang gamit, peaceful relationship with neigbours and landlord)

@mxherr5 - sa totoo lang, di ko makita yun Revenue Regulation 2-98 that contains the reference the Bu IR quoted. Dun sa tax code http://www.bir.gov.ph/index.php/tax-code.html - which I hope is updated as well at the same time when amendments come into effect, the closest one I can find is Sec. 121 (you can do a CTRL+F search para mabilis) but it only covers Financial Intermediaries who are renting (whose right is to withhold the tax from you the lessor), so in my mind I think the advice was not appropriate in the case where the lessor, whose annual gross receipt is below P1.9m (non-VAT, meaning you dont charge VAT), wants to file taxes.

In any case, let's assume 5% on gross income yun bagong tax rate (for non-VAT). If you bought your property at P1m in cash, rented it out for P8k per mo, the ROI is 9.6% (96k/1m). If we take the assumption that the 5% tax on gross income doesn't allow any other deductions (eg. personal deductions, dependent deduction, operating costs such as realty tax and homeowners assoc fees), the ROI is reduced to 4.6%... so just basing from these numbers, the tax man is making the rental business unprofitable -- so either people will not invest in rental properties, or they will not declare their tax correctly. Nakakalungkot naman if this is indeed the case, kasi I'm sure everyone else out there want to do it the right way. I hope the assumptions i made are wrong. Will check further on this when i get a chance (I'm looking for a Philippine tax handbook to buy right now).

mxherr5

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2015, 02:24:42 am »
Thanks Tea97. And they didn't answer my other question
about needing to issue an OR. It's like they don't want
people to pay taxes  ::)

aquacharly

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2015, 08:01:12 am »
They do not want to give clear info para madali sila makaipit ng tao. 

If you are not incorporated, your earnings as a landlord are added to your other income from employment &/or other businesses = taxable income.  You still register with the City Hall & BIR so you can issue Official Receipts.



london

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Re: Share your experiences as a landlord
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2015, 12:41:13 pm »
^ hi aquacharly

i just a have a question if you dont mind =)

i have a business which is vat registered, then may rental din na residential and commercial.
may mimimum yung sa residential rental to pay vat pero sa commercial kahit how much pa e automatic you have to pay vat.

now, i asked bir if yung sa residential ko na rental e pwedeng non-vat pa din if below naman sa minimum to pay vat. sabi lahat daw yun e vat na kasi may main business is vat registered. honestly medyo magulo silang kausap.

what's your take on this?

 

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