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allura

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Re: NAPOLES SCAM...A must read...
« Reply #420 on: October 03, 2013, 06:58:17 pm »
tsabadodo,


It was during arroyos time that Misuari led some MNLF members raiding an army headquarters, several military detachments and police stations, which killed 160 people in Jolo on November 2001.

Misuari launched his revolt after Arroyo decided to back an MNLF rival in an election to choose the next governor of ARMM.  He was finally arrested in a remote island off Malaysia's Sabah state for "entering Malaysia illegally". It was believed in some quarters that he was en route to the Gulf. Misuari may have been trying to set up an Abu Sayyaf cell in Malaysia since he has linked himself with the bandits.

And if you tie up the recent Sabah standoff where Sultan Jamalul Kiram III of the Sultanate of Sulu went to war along with the support of some mnlf members of the misuari faction to which he did admit but interjected halfway that it was their own choice and had nothing to do with him -again like his bullcrap on zamboanga siege.  He had long been asking for execution not prison sentence.


which reminded me when dv posted about the Singaporean anti corruption success,  I recalled that former prime minister lee kuan yew of singapore quoted his views on the Philippines in his memoirs:


“The difference lies in the culture of the Filipino people. It is a soft, forgiving culture. Only in the Philippines could a leader like Ferdinand Marcos, who pillaged his country for over twenty years, still be considered for a national burial. Insignificant amounts of the loot have been recovered, yet his wife and children were allowed to return and engage in politics. They supported the winning presidential and congressional candidates with their considerable resources and reappeared in the political and social limelight after the 1998 election that returned President Joseph Estrada.”


Mr lee would had a smirked in his face considering if he knew how many in this forum alone felt so sorry for the arroyos just because she is in a wheelchair with a debilitating disease right now would so willingly forgive all her shenanigans and let bygones be bygones reinforcing his views on us that he is still correct up to now.  The filipino people in general still rewards political crimes here.








DV

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Re: NAPOLES SCAM...A must read...
« Reply #421 on: October 03, 2013, 07:49:04 pm »
It was during arroyos time that Misuari led some MNLF members raiding an army headquarters, several military detachments and police stations, which killed 160 people in Jolo on November 2001.

Misuari launched his revolt after Arroyo decided to back an MNLF rival in an election to choose the next governor of ARMM.  He was finally arrested in a remote island off Malaysia's Sabah state for "entering Malaysia illegally". It was believed in some quarters that he was en route to the Gulf. Misuari may have been trying to set up an Abu Sayyaf cell in Malaysia since he has linked himself with the bandits.

Proper credit should be given to Dr Paridah Abd Samad, for his article, MNLF had planned to deploy hit squads

http://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnist/mnlf-had-planned-to-deploy-hit-squads-1.243137

"The Philippine government under Arroyo accused Misuari of leading some MNLF members to renew an armed struggle by raiding the army headquarters, several military detachments and police stations, which killed 160 people in Jolo on Nov 19, 2001.

Misuari launched his revolt after Arroyo decided to back an MNLF rival in an election to choose the next governor of ARMM. The government had deployed thousands of troops to Jolo to deter attempts by Misuari followers from disrupting the balloting.

Misuari was arrested in a remote island off Malaysia's Sabah state for "entering Malaysia illegally". It was believed in some quarters that he was en route to the Gulf.

Misuari may have been trying to set up an Abu Sayyaf cell in Malaysia since he has linked himself with the bandits."

I had to Google because while the first paragraphs were decently written, I couldn't understand the last one.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2013, 07:53:04 pm by DV »

allura

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« Reply #422 on: October 03, 2013, 09:20:52 pm »
tsabadodo,


Tama sinabi mo.  MILF are merely organized bandits posing as freedom fighters for the bangsamoro region, walang pinagiba sa MNLF o ABU SAYAF.  Biro mo dati nabalita man yata ni tulfo sa column niya na angaangas ng mga milf dahil tuwing nagpapadala ng peace negotiators sa kanila hindi mo sila makausap ng maayos at napaka arrogante pang sumagot na,  "kayo ang may gustong makipagusap sa amin hindi kami!"   The one and only thing that I admired erap was when he ordered the destruction of their stronghold although the real reason was two fold: eliminate an entire legion of bandits and distract the public from his impending impeachment.


If lee kuan yew heard you praising marcos he would had something like this  , "Marcos might have started off as a hero but ended up a crook."  also written by him in the same memoir.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2013, 10:10:44 pm by allura »

allura

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Re: NAPOLES SCAM...A must read...
« Reply #423 on: October 04, 2013, 08:32:53 am »
Lets say opposition group like enrile, jinggoy, revilla, marcos and their band of thieves thru diabolical means manages to successfully remove pnoy from office, afterwards they would install their party leader jejomar into presidency.   Does anyone here sincerely believe binay will prosecute his party members for all their crimes after thrusting him into power?   Binay would end up like arroyo, a lame duck president who had to make so many concessions and bribe just to remain in malacanang. And then finally he will succumb into the sea of corruption that he would actually enjoy it if he not in fact already accumulated so many ill gotten wealth right now after lording over Makati for over 20 years.  And who IS now in power over there? his son and then a daughter in senate, busy building their dynasty or should I say "business" in our government.


I still sincerely believe in noynoy alone, not his partymates, wanted to remove corruption and still do so.   He in my speculation had to bribe those opportunist allies & opposition bastards just to remove a powerful  scumbag like corona who will pander to arroyos command in gratitude for installing him as chief justice, the term midnight appointment best described what happened at that time.   Since arroyo and his lackeys are falling stars from the public then there is no threat of possible retaliation from this camp so it is a opportune event to earn quick bucks while looking like champions of justice. 


Of course using this as incentive is definitely wrong, it never was no matter how his subordinates explain their way out of it when it is a strategy to remove one who in the first place deserve to be remove but due to the way our govt had been inundiated with bribes from one administration to another since marcos,  These oppostunistic bastards that our kababayans had been electing to congress and senate will never do the right thing unless there is an incentive or it was in their interest to comply.


And this is why which I have to reiterate again that as a collective hoping for change in a major way we unite to make sure that scums involve had to be remove by voting them out of power.  It is the easiest, simplest and the cheapest way compared to removing them when they are already in power. 




 

   

DV

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« Reply #424 on: October 04, 2013, 08:50:27 am »
Today's script brought to you by good old Carandang.

After copy-pasting from another person's article, and writing this head-scratching paragraph,
Mr lee would had a smirked in his face considering if he knew how many in this forum alone felt so sorry for the arroyos just because she is in a wheelchair with a debilitating disease right now would so willingly forgive all her shenanigans and let bygones be bygones reinforcing his views on us that he is still correct up to now.  The filipino people in general still rewards political crimes here.

I don't believe you wrote the above.

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The minions are in panic because there is a million people march today asking for the impeachment of Noynoy. Hot water!

marose17

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« Reply #425 on: October 04, 2013, 10:01:46 am »
Who will be attending the anti-pork rally today?  I will.

From Junep Ocampo's (organizer) Facebook site: https://www.facebook.com/junep.ocampo?fref=ts
« Last Edit: October 04, 2013, 10:04:02 am by marose17 »

guilleanne

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« Reply #426 on: October 04, 2013, 10:53:31 am »
ang sakit sakit na sa tenga ng term na midnight appointee si corona. umaga po sya na appoint. haha. migawd. SC said na nga na theres nothing illegal or unconstitutional about his appointment. at yung tro kay gloria, e diba wala pa naman na isampa talagang kaso, mali kung may kaso na tapos nag tro pa. why cant you realize that the impeachment of corona was not about his connections with gloria, but everything that noynoy is doing wrong is being blamed to gloria. di pa ba malinaw? pati nga tong pdaf at dap diba kasalanan daw ni gloria, as if si gloria ang nag approve ng release ng "incentives" ng mga legislators mula "unconstitutional/imbento-ni-kalbo" DAP.


wait lang may mag memoirs din dyan kung pano ang isang batugan na senador e naging presidente. fight corruption, sana nuon pang senador sya marinig na natin na anti corruption sya, something like what lacson is doing. pero susme, si balsy nga nangongotong na din, bff ni kris na si ai-ai pnp pa ang security. wagas. kasalanan ni gloria yan.

Leven

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Re: NAPOLES SCAM...A must read...
« Reply #427 on: October 04, 2013, 12:05:28 pm »
at ang abnoy nagtanong pa, may suhol ba daw na after sa act..porke't ba huli na niya binigay ang dap hindi na suhol? ano ba yun? mismo yung gumawa ng law about DAP ang nagsabi illegal yung ginawa niya..hay...impeach na yang kalbo na yan...bobo pa..wala nang ibang ginawa kung ang isisi lahat kay arroyo..lahat nalang pati na ata bagyo..kainis

yelle

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Re: NAPOLES SCAM...A must read...
« Reply #428 on: October 04, 2013, 12:45:47 pm »
correct sis tsabadodo, sa halip na tumulong siya mapagaan ang buhay natin ay pinalala pa niya. ::)

Pano pag napatalsik nga si noynoy papalit si binay? My goodness isa pa yan eh. Pag yan naging presidente aalis na ako ng pinas.

May PDAF website na pala, makikita doon kung saan napunta ang budget. Do you think it's effective?

guilleanne

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« Reply #429 on: October 04, 2013, 12:54:56 pm »
^no. pdaf is still a political tool. ginagamit pampapogi e maliban sa pagpapataba ng bulsa. dapat abolish ang pdaf, budgets should go directly to the govt agencies. at ang magaling na panot, tinangal daw ang pdaf pero yung tinangal nilagay naman nya lahat sa pdaf nya. hahaha. kakatawa diba. mas lalo hahalik sa paa nya mga garapal nating letcheslator.

catherine ann

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« Reply #430 on: October 04, 2013, 03:42:06 pm »
Binobola lang natin ang sarili pag maniniwala kang di corrupt si Noynoy dahil 9 years as congressman at 3 years sa senate (na isa sya sa highest spender including Trillanes na nakakulong nun) e wala naman nagawa. Magaling lang ang mga spin doctor ng family nila at yung com group nya ngayon.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2013, 07:15:07 pm by catherine ann »

DV

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« Reply #431 on: October 04, 2013, 06:32:12 pm »
May PDAF website na pala, makikita doon kung saan napunta ang budget. Do you think it's effective?

Is this the DBM website? I so, tiningnan ko rin dati yan. You will notice na puro kalsada/construction of kung a n u-ano. I believe ang nasa listahan ay reported projects, but not yet audited. It does not necessarily mean completed/maayos ang delivery ng project.

actually, ginagago na tayo ni pinoy eh, harap-harapan kung manloko at magdrama. because he knows he can get away with it. his surname is a magic word, aminin man natin o hinde. who said hinde sya corrupt? yung pamilya nila and filipinos fell for it, hook line, and sinker.

hinde daw sya corrupt but all his track records show he's a non-performing public servant. actions, not mere words, should tell exactly the kind of character a person is. lalo na yung words na nagpi-praise ng sarili. kapani-paniwala ba yun? pro-poor daw sila pero bakit ang yayaman nila at lalong yumayaman pero yung mga ordinaryong tao (wag na tayong lumayo, sa tarlac nalang or lets say sa hacienda luisita mismo), mahirap pa din ang mga taong nagsisilbi sa kanila. pati isip and puso ng mga pinoy, kino-corrupt nila.

http://www.imanilatimes.net/without-congress-approval-aquino-set-up-own-p72-b-pork-barrel-fund/41260/

im sure mga fans ni noynoy, sasabihing basher lang nya to or hater si tiglao. ano sya artista? hahahaha! kalokohan!

Tama, harap-harapan. Before the first million-people march sabi keep the pork barrel, then suspend 2013 PB, then nag-announce abolish daw pero nilagay sa kanyang sariling PB, then ni-request nya na tanggalin na raw ang suspension ng 2013 PB, tapos ngayon may DAP pa. Hindi ko maintindihan how people still believe that he's not involved in this grand scam, na malinaw naman na sya ang may control ng PDAF/DAP na ayaw nya talagang bitawan at walang tunay na reform na nangyayari (very partial ang investigation at palaki nang palaki ang budget despite reported anomalies). Pinapaikot-ikot na lang tayo.

The numbers/data are there. Dati sabi walang pinamigay na PDAF before, during & after Corona's trial. And now lumabas na meron pala. Ang senado na nag-iimbestiga ngayon ng scam, sila-sila rin yung nagsinungaling noon.

And please, tantanan na yung gawa-gawa raw ni Binay ang pag-discredit sa kanila. They dug their own hole. Mulat na ang mga tao ngayon.

http://www.imanilatimes.net/the-mounting-pile-of-aquinomalies/41777/
« Last Edit: October 04, 2013, 06:42:22 pm by DV »

vhanya

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Re: NAPOLES SCAM...A must read...
« Reply #432 on: October 04, 2013, 09:27:05 pm »
Just because si Binay yung susunod na magiging President if ever ma-impeach si Pnoy e ayaw na ng mga tao na i-impeach sya. So what? Its a democratic process. Isa-isahin i-impeach amg mga yan ng matakot sila magnakaw. LEt's start it with Pnoy, then if may evdence against Bnay e di impeach rin and so on...We have to start somewhere and fear is something that is stopping us from doing that.


solepurplelife

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« Reply #433 on: October 05, 2013, 09:28:59 am »
^It seems logical pero I don't know if it'll work. Wala na rin kasi akong nakikitang matino sakanila. Hayyy

sima

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« Reply #434 on: October 05, 2013, 03:09:03 pm »
I doubt kung may kahihinatnan itong kay Napoles.  Yung sa Marcos' hidden wealth nga hanggang ngayon wala pa, yung case ni PGMA wala pa rin tapos nakaupo pa rin siya ngayon as a civil servant ....


DV

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« Reply #435 on: October 06, 2013, 07:03:27 am »
^^^Agree. Ang funds puro sya ang may control:
Presidential Pork (1Tr, halos kalahati ng national budget; 25B of this is PDAF that was used to be given to senators/congressmen)
DAP (137B released in 2011-2012)
Malampaya fund (130B)

^They only disclosed DAP after J Estrada, Lacson, Santiago, J Arroyo & DRILON confirmed the 100M/senator released before/during/after Corona's trial. Galit pa ang mga senador noon when Corona's lawyer said that, ininsulto daw sila. O ngayon, lumabas na meron nga pala. Kaya Pia Cayetano is so quiet.

Ngayon lang sila gumawa ng control measures nang nagkaalaman na (ititigil na raw ang DAP sa 2014, but not yet final. Ang Malampaya will be limited to energy projects).
« Last Edit: October 06, 2013, 07:15:13 am by DV »

Leven

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« Reply #436 on: October 07, 2013, 06:54:58 am »
damn that KALBO! tuwid na daan pala ha, tapos ang daming anomalya..asan na yung transparency..ayan tapos sa 2016 tatakbo pa yung kapatid niya na isa pang loka loka...ewan ko nalang..

DV

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« Reply #437 on: October 07, 2013, 09:08:06 am »
^^http://manilatimes.net/abad-cant-escape-dap-raps-miriam/42640/
"BUDGET Secretary Florencio Abad cannot escape criminal prosecution for the questionable release of funds through the controversial Development Acceleration Program (DAP), according to Sen. Miriam Defensor Santiago.
Santiago said that unlike his boss, President Benigno Aquino 3rd, Abad has no immunity from suit.
She added that although it is the President who approved the DAP, which has been deemed illegal by some constitutionalists and lawyers, he cannot be sued until after his term ends in 2016. However, under the principle of presidential immunity, it is the Cabinet secretary who has to assume criminal liability, which means that people who want to go after those behind the DAP can sue Abad."

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I agree with what was mentioned in the article that if they hadn't planned on keeping the DAP a secret, they could've easily asked the Congress's approval.

Ngayon Malacanang is saying that officials who misused their funds should be held accountable, e illegal nga yung fund in the first place.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2013, 09:10:45 am by DV »

DV

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« Reply #438 on: October 07, 2013, 11:35:32 pm »
Recto: P130B ‘missing’ from Malampaya fund
http://manilatimes.net/recto-p130b-missing-from-malampaya-fund/42966/

"THE Malampaya gas drilling project has generated a total of P170 billion in revenues for the government since it started in 2000, but the Department of Budget and Management (DBM) is clueless as to where a P130-billion chunk of it went, according to Senate President Pro-Tempore Ralph Recto."

solepurplelife

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« Reply #439 on: October 08, 2013, 09:16:18 am »
^^ isa lang ang maliwanag. Hindi lang senators and congressman ang dapat imbestigahan kasali dapat pati mga dept. secretaries. Haist ano pa nga ba ang aasahan natin. We'll they're not elected naman kasi si PNOy ang naglagay sa kanila sa pwesto.  ::)

I've seen yung interview ng attorney ni ex-PGMa saying na Arroyo didn't know Napoles personally. Tapos naghugas kamay pa na hindi daw nacorrupt ni Arroyo yung malampaya funds, which I doubt. Nagparinig pa na walang lalabas na picture si GMA kasama si Napoles.  ;D Nakaktuwa na nakakinis kasi pare-pareho silang naghahanapan ng butas ee wala namang malinis sakanila.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2013, 09:25:06 am by solepurplelife »

 

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