may karapatan ba ang kabit sa pera/properties?

[lime_eds]

Hi mga sis,
unfair na mapunta sa kabit yung properties no? But this is how it goes with what I learned:

In a case of kabits what happens is that if they contribute jointly with your husband to acquire properties nung time na hiwalay kayo, it is still possible to run after the properties. Just don't expect to get 100% because those properties were acquired jointly especially if she can prove what she contributed (that half she will retain cause well, pera niya yun). You'll have to prove how much your husband contributed and that share can be taken. In the case na si husband lang ang nagpundar ng properties and walang share si kabit, then no problemo, it's yours. Rule of thumb, whatever is sure na pera ni husband (or worse, it is your property jointly owned with him) it should go to you and the children.

On the share of illegitimate children. Sa estate if anything happens, they get 1/2 of the share of a legitimate child kasi right nila yun kahit masakit pakinggan...at least si kabit walang share. Your share sa manahan is the share of 1 LEGITIMATE child and the size depends on how many children you have. Sa ganiyan sis, try consulting with a real lawyer kasi they will figure how the shares go properly

Hi sis, I have the same problem din pero baliktad naman, yung kabit (my sister) bought a land property and silang dalawa nung guy (married men) ang nakapangalan or parang joint property pero I doubt na may share dun yung lalake kase pineperahan lang niya ang Sister ko. They have a son, legal age now, pero namatay kase yung sister ko nung 2010 pa. Paano namin malilipat yung title/property sa pamangkin ko. Since patay na yung sister ko, doon kay married guy na mapupunta yung property, tama ba mga sis?

Ang takot ko lang kase eh baka ma-deadz si married guy at yung pamilya niya ang makinabang, nasa samin naman yung title/deed of sale nung property, baka kase maghabol yung pamilya niya and my nephew will left out with nothing. Actually, pati yung motor at ibang gamit sa bahay nang ate at pamangkin ko eh pinagkukuha niya rin at dinala sa bahay nila sa probinsiya. TAKE NOTE, may mga abusado talagang lalake and I really DESPISE HIM.

Question ko lang is pwede ba mai-transfer yung property sa pamangkin ko? And how? May nakita kase kong ginawang affidavit nung married guy stating yung sister ko owns a parcel of land and yung pamangkin ko ang sole beneficiary. Wala kase kong tiwala sa papel na yun at baka ma-balewala lang since joint property nila yun and the other one is deceased already. Mautak din kase yung lalakeng yun especially may pamangkin siyang lawyer.

[swatchgotha]

mga sis.. need ko din ng advise.. actually nagtanong na ako about dito sa ibang online sites na frustrate ako sa sinagot sa akin.. pinoylawywer kasi nakalagay akala ko makakatulong sa akin. Sites yata yun ng mga kabit kasi kawawa naman daw si kabit at yung illegitimate child nila at dapat daw na mag share ako ng blessings since kapatid daw yun ng anak ko (grrr). Ganito kasi scenario sa akin. Nagkaroon ng kabit husband ko at nabuntis nya ito. Sad to say nalaman ko about this nung nakapanganak na ang girl at na acknowledge na ni husband birth certificate ng bata. Were married for 18 years at may isang anak na 16 yr old. Syempre laking away namin pati anak ko apektado kasi nalaman nya. Kame ang pinili ni hubby kaya wala na sila communication nung girl. Pag may mga kelangan ang bata number ko ang tinitxt nung girl (pero ang alam nya husband ko un).  Tanong ko kasi pano dapat gawin para masiguro ko na sa anak ko lang mapupunta yung bahay at lupa na ako din naman mismo ang nagpundar? Sa akin nakapangalan ang bahay pero syempre conjugal namin yun ni hubby.

[arimi_dee]

Guys, regarding sa DNA testing to prove paternity, generally, only the father can question the child's filiation within 1yr from knowledge of birth or recording in the civil registry if the father resides in the same city where the birth took place or was recorded, 2yrs if the father resides in a different city (but within the Philippines) or 3yrs if the father resides abroad.

The heirs can only impugn filiation of the child only if the father dies before the expiration of the period (1,  2 or 3 yrs), the father dies after filing the complaint without withdrawing the same or if the child was born after the death of the father.

Heirs include the legal wife and children whether legitimate, illegitimate or adopted. In the absence of children, parents of the father. In the absence of the legal wife, children and parents, his brothers and sisters, whether full or half blood.

[razer]

Ang tanong ko naman po, may kaso po ba na pwede i file ang legal wife sa kabit?

[lisse]

mga sis, paki-clarify naman for me kasi it's been years since we had this Family LAw class eh. sa estate for example nung husband, ang "automatic" share ni legal wife as per law is 50%. then the remaining 50% is paghahatian ng mga anak nila + the equivalent share of one child is mapupunta din sa legal wife on top of the 50% sa conjugal/community properties nila ni husband, tama ba?

[kittykat1487]

Hi girls my Father has been living with his common law wife/Kabitch for several years now and all of a sudden gusto magpakasal and wants to nullify his marriage with our Mother..we the legal children of course object with the idea..kahit ilang years na yan..we grew up being the legits biglang wow wala na lang kasi 20+++ na kami..I'd just like to ask what would happen to us after the annulment will we be the illegitimate children once my Father marries his Kabit (who is also Married)?anong Laban namin?please help?

[a.estrada]

aquacharly, can i also know regarding the bank accounts? i can't PM.

[Betots]

I will PM you how to get to the bank accounts.
Ayoko na cuento dito kasi baka  malaman pa ng mga kab1tch. 

Hi, can you please share the information? I'm just a newly separated wife and so does being a member here [/ftp] i find it helpful to join this forum( nakakkuha ako ng emotional support knowing there are other women out there na kinaya ang paghihiwalay)

[amethyst028]

daming mga questions regarding sa legal rights ng wife and sa mga kabit. i suggest you read the family code. andun lahat ng sagot sa mga katanungan niyo. google din po pag may time. peace!
kung medyo complicated naman try consulting a lawyer.

[chefron]

mga sis.. need ko din ng advise.. actually nagtanong na ako about dito sa ibang online sites na frustrate ako sa sinagot sa akin.. pinoylawywer kasi nakalagay akala ko makakatulong sa akin. Sites yata yun ng mga kabit kasi kawawa naman daw si kabit at yung illegitimate child nila at dapat daw na mag share ako ng blessings since kapatid daw yun ng anak ko (grrr). Ganito kasi scenario sa akin. Nagkaroon ng kabit husband ko at nabuntis nya ito. Sad to say nalaman ko about this nung nakapanganak na ang girl at na acknowledge na ni husband birth certificate ng bata. Were married for 18 years at may isang anak na 16 yr old. Syempre laking away namin pati anak ko apektado kasi nalaman nya. Kame ang pinili ni hubby kaya wala na sila communication nung girl. Pag may mga kelangan ang bata number ko ang tinitxt nung girl (pero ang alam nya husband ko un).  Tanong ko kasi pano dapat gawin para masiguro ko na sa anak ko lang mapupunta yung bahay at lupa na ako din naman mismo ang nagpundar? Sa akin nakapangalan ang bahay pero syempre conjugal namin yun ni hubby.

may tinatawag na paraphernal law maybe you can search about it.
kung ganyan naman sis na may anak na sa labas, benta na lahat ng property para maging cash tapos invest the money in insurance. si husband ang insured and you and your child ang beneficiary. hindi yan mahahabol ng illegitimate anak har har har har...dont forget to write irrevocable para hindi nya mapalitan ang beneficiary without your knowledge

[swatchgotha]

Sis Chefron thanks ha.. i will search for that paraphernal law.. Balak ko kasi ilipat na sa name ng anak ko yung property pag nag 18 na sya (next year). Aalamin ko na lang kung ano magiging consequences just in case at kung posible ba yun.. salamat ulit..

[Marc7]

mga sis, paki-clarify naman for me kasi it's been years since we had this Family LAw class eh. sa estate for example nung husband, ang "automatic" share ni legal wife as per law is 50%. then the remaining 50% is paghahatian ng mga anak nila + the equivalent share of one child is mapupunta din sa legal wife on top of the 50% sa conjugal/community properties nila ni husband, tama ba?

If there is only one legitimate child, your computation is right except the last one.  If there is only one legitimate child, 1/2 of the estate goes to the legitimate child. and the surviving spouse (wife in this case) gets 1/4 of the estate.

If there are 2 or more legitimate children, the share of the spouse is the same with the share of each legitimate child.

Let’s say the estate is P12,000,000, and the heirs are surviving spouse and 2 legitimate children. The estate would be distributed as follows:

P6,000,000 - Legitime
P6,000,000 - Free Portion

The 2 legitimate children would get their legitime, so each of them gets P3,000,000.  The share or the surviving spouse would be P3,000,000 also (same with that of each legitimate child). Sa free portion yan kukunin. The remaining free portion would be P3,000,000. If the decendent has illegitimate children, the remaining P3,000,000 will be divided equally among them.

[Marc7]

mga sis.. need ko din ng advise..  Nagkaroon ng kabit husband ko at nabuntis nya ito. Tanong ko kasi pano dapat gawin para masiguro ko na sa anak ko lang mapupunta yung bahay at lupa na ako din naman mismo ang nagpundar? Sa akin nakapangalan ang bahay pero syempre conjugal namin yun ni hubby.

Under the law, that illegitimate child shall have the right to receive financial support  if he/she was recognized by your husband as his illegitimate child. (Article 195 of the Family Code). That illegitimate child of your husband may inherit from him.

If the illegitimate child is recognized by your husband, he/she will definitely inherit from your husband.

Let's assume that all your properties are worth P4,000,000. Since your properties are conjugal, 1/2 of all your properties belong to your husband. 1/2 of it is P2,000,000. When your husband dies, the P2,000,000 share of your husband will be divided among his surviving spouse (you), legitimate and illegitimate child. If you have 2 legitimate children, P1,000,000 goes to them as their legitime (each of them gets P500K), P500,000 for you, and P250K (1/2 of share of each legitimate child) for the illegitimate child of your husband. The remaining P250K will be divided equally among you.

The best way so that the illegitimate child cannot inherit from your husband is if the latter did not recognize him/her. Remember, hindi kasalanan ng bata (illegitimate child) na isinilang sya sa ganyang situation.

"Dura lex sed lex"- The law may be harsh, but it is the law.

[aquacharly]

If there is only one legitimate child, your computation is right except the last one.  If there is only one legitimate child, 1/2 of the estate goes to the surviving spouse (wife in this case), and the only legitimate child gets 1/4 of the estate.

If there are 2 or more legitimate children, the share of the spouse is the same with the share of each legitimate child.

Let’s say the estate is P12,000,000, and the heirs are surviving spouse and 2 legitimate children. The estate would be distributed as follows:

P6,000,000 - Legitime
P6,000,000 - Free Portion

The 2 legitimate children would get their legitime, so each of them gets P3,000,000.  The share or the surviving spouse would be P3,000,000 also (same with that of each legitimate child). Sa free portion yan kukunin. The remaining free portion would be P3,000,000. If the decendent has illegitimate children, the remaining P3,000,000 will be divided equally among them.

Pagka intindi ko:

Assuming 12M estate, 2 legit kids, no bastards

6Mio  or 50%  automatic goes to The Legal Wife

2  legit, zero bastard & 1 legal wife = 3 equal shares
So 6Mio divided by 3 is 2mio each
Wife gets 6 + 2 IMO or total 8mio.
Each legit kid gets 2mio

---  or

Using only 6mio as the estate
3mio outright goes  to wife
1mio each to wife &  legit kid
So wife gets total 3 + 1 = 4Mio

 
Tama ba Atty.

[Marc7]

I stand corrected. Lisse was right pala, I thought she was saying that the 50% share of the wife as her legitime. Yes, basta conjugal ang properties, 50% agad for the surviving spouse, hindi nya mana yan but she owns it.

aquacharly, in your first example, the base should be the P6M because that's the husband's share in the conjugal properties, that is his estate, not the entire P12M dahil conjugal ang P12M.  P6M for the husband, and P6M for the wife. When the husband died, his estate is worth P6M. Assuming that the husband died with no debt and the decedent was survived by his wife and 2 children.

Estate- P6M
Legitime - P3M
Free Portion - P3M

Legitime of P3M divided by 2 = P1.5M for each child.
Wife gets P1.5M too (from the Free Portion. Basta ang legitimate children ay 2 or more, kung magkano mana ng anak, ganun din sa surviving spouse

If the decedent left no will, then the remaining Free Portion of P1.5M will be divided to them equally.

The P6M share by the wife in the conjugal properties cannot be distributed as legitime because she is still alive, unless she will donate it to her 2 children, ibang usapan naman yun, donation inter vivos na yun not donation mortis causa (succession).

In your 2nd example.  The husband's estate is his share in the conjugal property. Let's say, the total properties by the husband and wife are worth P6M. Only P3M ang share ng husband therefore that is his estate. Ang legitime ng mga anak laging 1/2 ng total na ari-arian na naiwan ng namatay na magulang nya, basta laging 1/2 yan.

Estate - P3M
Legitime - P1.5M
Free Portion - P1.5M

Each child gets P750K as their legitime. The wife gets P750K too. So the remaining free portion is P750K, kung wala namang illegitimate child ang husband, it will be distributed to the wife and 2 children equally. Kaya tig P250K uli sila.

Yung 50% na sinasabi ng Lisse, hindi nya mana yun, share yun ng wife sa "CONJUGAL" property nila. Kukunin muna ang parte ng husband at ng wife, at yun ang magiging estate ng namatay,kung sinuman sa mag-asawa ang namatay.

[aquacharly]

MARC7

That's what I said.  MY COMPUTATION is CORRECT 

12MIO -- the wife gets 6 + 2mio.
The kids each get 2mio.

Maybe it's in the terminology.  I am not a lawyer -- the 1st concern is always to totally account for all conjugal property  -- that is the Total Estate.   Kaya halungkatan ng secret accounts, & properties di ba, if any.   Haha
 The surviving spouse automatically gets 50% as her/his share.  The share of the estate of the deceased is then divided as per law.

I will not argue with your use of  Legitime & Free Portion.  I am not a lawyer. Negosyante ako, mas importante ang tamang  cuentahan. . 

All I know is that the Free Portion is the only amount or % that could have been  Probated -- while the deceased was still alive.  Ang pagka intindi ko eh the Probated amount/Free Portion -- yan puede ipamana (after death) to those who are not heirs -- kahit butiki  or dog puede.  Technically.
Probating  a will (done while still alive) is also complicated; not worth it unless the estimated estate is humongous & sited multinational.  Kaya, better ibigay  na derecho sa kabit or butiki while still alive. 

Sa 2nd example ko, it still boils down to 1mio per kid and 3+ 1 or 4 Mio for the wife.  As I said, I am not a lawyer, but MY COMPUTATION  is CORRECT. 

Are you a lawyer? 

If you are, we have more questions. . 

[Marc7]

Ah the P12M pala refers to the conjugal properties, and yes your computation is correct. If the husband's estate is P6M, then your computation is correct. I just want to make it clear kase it may mislead others if the word "estate" will be used to refer to the entire P12M, baka kapag naghatian na at sinabi ng lawyer nila na "Okay Mrs., so the estate of your husband is P6M",  the wife may think na may 50% pa sya sa P6M. Let's just use the word estate sa share na mismo ng husband na namatay sa conjugal properties nila para hindi malito ang iba.  Actually the computation varies depending on the surviving heirs of the decedent. Let's say the decedent was survived by his spouse and only one legitimate child, no illegitimate whatever, the legitimate child gets 1/2, and the spouse gets 1/4. The remaining 1/4 is the disposable free portion, and you're right, pwede yan ipamana kahit kanino, kahit kay Pnoy.  Kaya halungkatin mo na baka may mga tinatagong bank accounts hubby mo.     By the way, paramours (kabit) are disqualified to inherit from the decedent. Pwedeng habulin ng legal wife ang pinamana sa kabit.

I'm not a lawyer yet, I'm a fresh law graduate, I took the Bar exams last month. I just want to help sa abot ng makakaya ko. 

[Mitchvillamor]

Hi good day sa inyong lahat meron lang po akong katanungan kasi may boyfriend po ako na kasal sa una,  pero matagal ng hiwalay sa asawa nya.  Pero nag babalak po syang mag undergo ng annulment.  Ngaun may nabili kaming properties at ito ay pinangalan nya sakin.  May rights po ba dun ang legal wife in case man na may mangyari sa boyfriend ko (example lang po, wag naman sana..)?    Sana po mareplyan nyu po ang tanong ko. No hurt feelings po sa comment nyu.