K+12 implementation

[siomai]

Question:  saan ba magdadagdag ng years?  Sa high school ang pagkakaintindi ko kasi.  So this means that if say, my sons go to prep at 6 years old then may grade 7 sa school nila so bale, 13 na sila when they finish grade school.  So sa high school, plus 2 years =6 years.  They'll be 19 when they enter college???  I was 20 when I graduated from my undergrad course.  Hay ang tagal namin magpapaaral.

sa mga anak ko ang Grade 7 nila inilipat na sa High School Department. Implemented na this incoming schoolyear so 6 years na high school nila.

[pompz]

^tama sis grade 7 nga ang 1st year highchool sabi ng teacher ng Manila Science

[sima]

bakit nagaambisyon ang DepEd ng K12 school program kung hindi nga nila maayos ang sistema ng grade1 - 4th yr HS?  this will not make our students smarter or more competitive sa industry. hindi quantity kundi quality education ang kailangan ng mga bagets ngayon. and besides lalo lang nilang ine-encourage na mag abroad ang mga pilipino, diba yun ang gustong gusto ng ibang bansa yung mga skilled workers.

I TOTALLY AGREE!  They should be looking first at the QUALITY of the CURRICULA schools are offering right now -- mapa-private or public man yan.  Pahirap pa yan sa mga magulang!

It is important to first know whether long cycles were associated with quality education and short cycles with poor quality. But so far, the argumentation has been social in character – our system is different from those of others, therefore we should change.  Ano tayo -- keeping up with the Joneses?!  Have they really, thoroughly studied the relation between length of formal schooling and “quality” of education?  For me, it does not follow na kung mas mahaba ang formal schooling, mas "qualified" yung bata.  There is no basis to blame the length of schooling.  There is therefore no logic in expecting lengthening the cycle to improve the situation.

[cheskacruz]

Sorry mga sis ha, pero inis na inis ako sa K+12 na yan! Even if they start adding more years sa school if the standard and quality of the lessons and even the teachers, walang matututunan ang mga bata. Plus the fact na sa public schools ang isang classroom 40-45 students, paano pa kaya matututukan lahat ng mga batang iyon. Even in some private schools ang dami rin.

My youngest brother graduated Grade Six, now itong pasukan ayan Grade 7. Hay. What more sa mga kids ko rin ngayon. Pabor sa schools yan, more income sa kanila but naman kung iniimprove ang quality ng edukasyon eh di sana di na kailangan implement ito.

I swear hindi ito ang solution. Ang mahal-mahal ng tuition ha! 

[marose17]

Haphazard ang implementation ng K+12.  I wonder what the long term effect of this program will be for the Philippine educational system.

[ldrwifey]

like what sis sima said, nakikipagsabayan tayo sa ibang countries na may longer school years, for me kahit tayo pa ang may pinakamaiksing years sa school kung competitive naman ang mga students natin wala tayong problema diba.

eto n lang ang malaking tanong sakin.... i grew up in the province and attended public school, sa probinsya maghapon ang mga studyante sa school, kami dati we have atleast 8subjects and nasa school kami from 7-5. sa manila swerte ka n kung 4hrs ka na nasa school, diba same curriculum lang naman ang lahat ng public schools? so anong klaseng quality of education ang nabibigay natin mga mag-aaral n nasa manila? not all can afford private schools.

the problem is maraming students kulang ang schools, napakasimple, yun muna ang gawan ng paraan para maayos ang problema. hindi yung mga dagdag n taon ang pinagkakaabalahan nila.

[sima]

Yes, maghapaon tayo sa school as in from 7:00 a.m. to 5: 00 p.m. at hataw ang mga subjects natin, one hour of recess lang in the morning and one hour of lunch, and we turned out OK!  I remember hindi pa uso ang mga lockers noon sa school so we had to log those books and notebooks EVERDAY!

Yung mga professionals natin who are working abroad, did they get extra levels in grade school?  Noon, konting schools lang ang merong grade 7 pero I highly doubt na itong mga professionals natin ngayon, went through that additional grade level.  Wag nga nila tayong lokohin.  Matagal nang bilog ang mga ulo natin hahahaha Affected much?  Sorry kasi additional burden ito sa mga kids, sa mga teachers, at sa mga parents.  Sa totoo lang, they only have to conduct an indepth review of what could be done with the status quo and not to immediately offer what is a cumbersome "solution" to the issue.

Did they make a survey?  Did they made a study out of it or simply relied in the study/ies conducted by other people in other places?  Did they consult the parents who are the ones spending hard-earned money para lang maigapang ang mga anak nila sa pag-aaral?  HAAYYYY!!!!!  KABUWISIT!!!!!!

[rianne_mallows]

papalalain lang nito problema sa classrooms.  most public schools have 50 students in a class na, half day pa. yung 2 public schools dito 3 shifts na. instead na aalis na yung students at magkakarron ng room for incoming students mas makikisiksik pa ng 2 extra years. paano na ngayon?

hindi na ako magtataka if soon,  makita ako ng students ang pasok parang call center agents

[ldrwifey]

pa-epal lang kasi ang mga may pakulo niyan, kung baga masabi lang n may ginagawa sila.

[FOURever]

nalulungkot ako for public schools.. Mga classroom, libro, gamit, silya, etc etc di naman nila masolusyunan eh. Tapos dadagdag pa to. I know ok to BUT NOT RIGHT NOW.

[rianne_mallows]

^agree. hindi pa panahon ito. daming problema ng public schools eh.

actually, i think pinulitika na naman ito kasi pabor lang ito sa private schools. they have the facilities kasi and funds kaya ok lang.. isa pa, parents will be forced to pay pa for 2 extra years kaya added income sa kanila yun..

pero sa public schools, kalbaryo ito na maliwanag. nagpublic school din ako before at proud ako kasi maganda yung school namin dati at magaling ang turo.. pero ngayon, with the way things are, ni imaginin ayoko ipasok sa public anak ko. 

[ldrwifey]

sa province naman sis up to now ok p rin ang public schools, longer school hours and magagaling talaga ang teachers. kaya tingnan niyo sa province kahit "rich" kid sa public nag-aaral kasi mas competitive.

[hunny_ally]

actually, i think pinulitika na naman ito kasi pabor lang ito sa private schools. they have the facilities kasi and funds kaya ok lang.. isa pa, parents will be forced to pay pa for 2 extra years kaya added income sa kanila yun..

If private has existing grade 7, no added years. Counting the 3years of PS, 7 yrs of GS & 4 yrs of HS it meets already the required # of years under the k12 program.

[marose17]

Found this on the web: http://www.deped.gov.ph/cpanel/uploads/issuanceImg/K12new.pdf

It's an enlightening read.  Let's be more open about this program. 

[rianne_mallows]

If private has existing grade 7, no added years. Counting the 3years of PS, 7 yrs of GS & 4 yrs of HS it meets already the required # of years under the k12 program.

oo nga sis. pero very few lang yung ganito. mostly yung mga mahal talaga na private schools .. sobrang konti compared sa bilang ng lahat ng schools nationwide. 

[sima]

^^ I´ve read the primer on the K-12 program.  Of course, everything written in there would have to look and sound good, part of marketing iyan eh.  Writers have to put in a lot of good and operative words as "empowerment", etc... to capture attention or gain acceptance.

Allow me to digress to make a point.  Yung mga provisions ng civil service or yung mga government agencies on selection of personnel, promotion, etc... lahat yan WOW!  perfect at ideal on paper pero in practice ... AYAN NA!  Hindi na nasusunod.  We have yet to see how it is implemented and the results, in five years or so.  Usually, diyan na nagkakatalo.

"...I want at least 12 years for our PUBLIC SCHOOL CHILDREN to give them an even chance at succeeding."  -- PNOY.  Eh bakit pati private schools kung saan mahal ang bayad sa tuition eh iniimplement din ito?  Kahit yung ibang public school they charge some fees pa rin di ba?

Why don´t they incorporate na lang the curriculum of science highschools to all schools -- kahit public iyon eh ang galing ng math and sciences nila .. kung ang basehan lang naman nila eh the low achievement scores of students in math and science. 

I do not buy the crap that one has to be this age to be mature/ready for work.  Masyado kasing text-book based ang iba kaya di na-aappreciate ng mga students yung relation ng pinagaaralan nila pag lumabas na sila beyond the four walls of the classroom.

In the brochure, parang the blame is on the educational system on the rising statistics of unemployed graduates.  Na kesyo the graduate is a minor, too young or immature to make decisions, hmmmm..... mali yata.  Generally, employers would want a college graduate  over a non-degree holder.    Minsan kahit vocational lang ang natapos mo, kung wala namang available na job na provided ang government, wala rin.

I know some people who got the best education overseas, having 12 years of education as opposed to mine, but my gosh.... disaster and a big disaapointment when it comes to work!  Sobrang immature -- so tell me, does it follow that the more time you spend in school, the more mature you will get and the more prepared you are to join the workforce?  I don't think so.

[helencons]

I would've welcomed this program if I had seen a carefully planned and improved curriculum outline for each of the levels..Sadly, there seems to be no concrete plan at all.

Personally, I don't think we have a curriculum that is at par with international standards.  What we have are inherently smart people who can easily adapt and resourceful enough to learn the required skills on their own or with little supervision (that's the secret of our OFWs' success stories).

I'm not saying that there are no good schools here, because there are..usually, however, you have to pay expensive tuition fees to get that kind of education.  We need to standardize good education where it can be accessible to all students from the poorest to the higher echelons of society. So far, very fragmented ang education system natin kasi, di ba mas maganda kung may national standard na kapag sinabing graduate from the Philippines, approved na. Hindi yung kailangan sabihin mo muna kung sang school ka galing para maconsider ka (the only exception here are the really smart ones who are pursued by employers no matter what school they came from).  The sadder truth pa nga is, mismong tayo pa ang nagdidiscriminate ng graduates natin, abroad pa nga they're open to graduates from lesser well-known schools basta magaling ka.

Such is our present educational system that more and more parents look into alternative schooling methods.  Some resort to homeschooling or additional afterschool enrichment programs.

In the end, we cannot always rely on our innate intelligence to get us through life, richer countries are also starting to look into their education system and finding ways to improve their own human resources...I'm sure they do not want foreigners to take over their businesses.We need to constantly evolve cause we have a very demanding world now...what worked for us before may not work for our children anymore.Sooner or later, other countries will be able to produce smarter professionals who can compete globally (and directly compete with our own). That, I think, motivated the framers of this program to think ahead of our time.

The K+12 program has a vision, but it doesn't provide the means to get to it.

[FOURever]

sorry ha? Pero sa nakikita ko, parang inannounce lang na iimplement to tapos pinabayaan na especially public schools. Parang nabitin/naiwan sila sa ere. At sa nakikita ko sa balita, di sila ganun kaalam sa gagawing pagbabago sa education system natin.

[rianne_mallows]

^i agree.. may mga pinsan ako sa private schools na teachers. sila ok na curriculum nila. yung mga pinsan ko naman na teachers sa public magulo pa din daw.

[marose17]

This is the first year of implementation.  Of course, magulo pa!  The objectives are worthy naman, kaya nga sinabi kong bigyan natin ng chance eh.  I, for one, believe that it will take years for this plan to reap its rewards. 

If we keep on complaining like this, then no wonder, hindi pa rin tayo progressive as a nation. 

My sons are affected too, you know.  Ayoko talagang mag-grade 1 sila at 6 years old, but do I have any choice? As a parent, the best thing I can do for them is to make them emotionally ready and academically prepared for grade 1 next year.