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m_lim

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2011, 09:37:52 pm »
advisable ba pumunta ng december or sobrang lamig?


either december kami pumunta for honeymoon or april/may na.

mama squeak!

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2011, 09:43:30 pm »
^^sis anytime! If I can't answer you any of the GTs here might know. By the way, in Wiesbaden have you gone to the biggest cuckoo clock in the world? Hubby and I had a laugh when we saw it  ;D  It's also in the city center. Ask any Wiesbadener and they'll know.

mama squeak!

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2011, 09:51:06 pm »
@m_lim, sis andami mo naman pupuntahan for your honeymoon! Cross continent ka pa ;D
What happened to Maui? Anyway, to answer your question it will definitely be cold and wet. Pero laking tipid sa airfare/hotel kasi low season travel yan except for the Christmas/New Year holidays. If you're going to Paris or any big city in Germany and Austria, you'll get to experience their Christmas markets. plus the wonderful Christmas lights & decor around.

melodymedley

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2011, 10:03:53 pm »

^sis lavieenrose : The Vatican CIty Tour is indeed quite expensive. But I do prefer to get guided for this one. Baka ma-bore ako agad kapag ako lang or I may not find it as interesting. Will check out the Tuscany tour you mentioned. Thanks!  ;)

Yeap, saw Thalys train and short ride lang back to AMS. I was tempted to drop by Belguin pero... wag na lang muna.  ;D

goddessella

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2011, 04:34:06 am »
posting my review here, as promised:

i recently went to a 16-17 day tour around europe (a little fuzzy on the days bec of the time diff) with a tour group. the travel agent/tourguide is our neighbor and we decided to join this time cuz all three of his kids will be joining the trip (so that we'd be with some of our age group. i went with my 17-y.o cousin, im early-mid 20s the kids are about the same age) we were lucky cuz there were lotsa kids in our age group that tour. (we were around 12 young 'uns out of the 36)

it was a pilgrimage tour (dont knock it til you tried it! i was a little skeptical at first but it was more sightseeing than pilgrimage) so we were lucky to have our age group along as most pilgrimage tours are with oldies! lol. we paid 3500usd apiece, package includes visa application, plane tickets, accommodation (4-5star hotels with breakfast buffet included), transpo all over europe, and dinner for the duration of the tour. (with dinner included is such a big help since a. we get to try the local cuisine, b. you dont have to scrimp on your pocket money to buy food)

if you're really not sold on the whole pilgrimage thing, don't worry, my travel agent offers purely sight-seeing tours and other packages to suit your needs. drop me a line if you're interested and imma refer you

i cannot stress how great it is to have dinner included in the package cuz then all you have to think about is your lunch food, and you can get by with getting a few croissants during breakfast, and voila, all your pocket money goes to shopping! lol. we mostly had lunches in auto-stops or restaurants in the city we were in. for autostops you spend around 6-10 euro per person for a full lunch, and if you're not a big lunch person, you can share it with your travel companion and split the cost! lunching in restaurants is a little pricier tho.. we spent around 30-40 euro for a lunch for two.

the places we visited are:
a. Amsterdam, Netherlands
b. Dusseldorf & Koln, Germany
c. Brussels, Belgium
d. Paris, Nevers, Ars, Lyon, Paray Le Monial, all in France
e. Lucerne, Mt. Titlis, Switzerland
f. Como, Milan, Venezia, San Giovanni Rotondo, Italy
g. Vatican City, Rome
(i have this funny feeling that i'm missing a city or two especially in france and italy)

we stayed two nights in major cities like paris, lucerne, rome.

i got to see snow and snowflakes in switzerland in May! how cool is that?! not to sound sooper inosente or anything, but i always thought the drawing of a snowflake is some imaginary thing but they really fall off like that! parang shaped talaga or manufactured but no!! au naturale!

here's my two cents on the issue of whether to DIY or to go the tour route:
if you're super adventurous, cautious and streetsmart go with the DIY. you'd be fine! :D

if you're not a seasoned traveler or if you want a hassle free vacation go for the packaged one. all you have to do is haul your b*** to the bus every morning and sigh at the wonderful sights

if i was traveling alone, or with my friends or a lover i'd definitely go the DIY route. screw schedules there's more fun in the unknown! lol

but as i was traveling with my cousin (who is more than a sister to me, a much younger sister) it was a smart choice that we went the package route rather than backpacking it the way we originally wanted. my nerves were much calmer.

budget-wise: i can only comment on the package thing since that's the one i experienced
it's crucial to note that we had pre-paid dinners included in the package so it was not included in this budgeting.

500 euro would get you by for 16 days, that's lunch money, a little side sight-seeing in the evenings, 3 packs of cigarettes and little souvenirs, with change to spare for toilet breaks (some toilets or WC as they call them charge .50 euro to a full 2 euro)

800-1000 euro would buy what 500 euros would plus an extra longchamp or two and bucket loads of souvenirs

2000 euro would buy you what 1000 euro would, plus two LV speedys, and instead of one or two longchamps you could prolly get 3, especially if you hit up la fayette and the depots (outlet stores is what i think they call it)

and while we're on the subject of cigarettes, man, i quit them there! (almost) lol. it's damn expensive! i'm talking about 5-12 euros expensive depending on which city you're in. you're better off bringing your own. (which i didnt, hence the aformentioned three packs)

my budget? me and my cousin had 1000 euros to spend but we got to bring 200-300 euro each back home cuz we weren't interested in shopping.

dont get me wrong, i love shopping as much as the next girl.. but it takes me a while longer than the 1-2hours we had to decide on something and as we already had speedys and LCs back home, we werent in any rush to get another one. tho the discounts were drool-worthy!

valuable info: most of them wouldnt know what CR, Comfort Room or Loo means. they do know Toilet and WC (Water Closet).

what to bring:
leggings! it saved my life!!
a day bag and a purse where you can keep small amounts of euros that will get you by for the day
boots (make sure those damned zippers work!)
true story: i hauled my boots all around europe and i didnt get to wear them once. first day in amsterdam, i was about to wear 'em for the day, i jammed the damned zippers and wasnt able to use em!
scarves. seriously. a must.
gloves, especially if you're gonna go to snow-capped mt. titlis.. or even if you arent.

techie must-have aside from camera:
ipad and a camera connector kit - it saved me from bringing spare memory cards, i just transferred the pics in my ipad via the camera connector kit every night. (you can also do this with a netbook or a full blown laptop but a. those are heavy b. it's a hassle going through airport security with them c. ipads are more stylish. lol! mac fangirl here. sorry)

universal adaptors. seriously. they use the two-pronged round ones in central europe (not the flat ones) and 3-pronged ones in the UK


« Last Edit: May 19, 2011, 04:46:38 am by goddessella »

m_lim

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2011, 10:37:57 am »
@m_lim, sis andami mo naman pupuntahan for your honeymoon! Cross continent ka pa ;D
What happened to Maui? Anyway, to answer your question it will definitely be cold and wet. Pero laking tipid sa airfare/hotel kasi low season travel yan except for the Christmas/New Year holidays. If you're going to Paris or any big city in Germany and Austria, you'll get to experience their Christmas markets. plus the wonderful Christmas lights & decor around.

sis mama squeak! Maui na kami sa June. pwedeng pre honeymoon nga ano?hehe:D

nakakatempt kasi yung  cathay pacific rates eh. pero sabi ng sister ng fiance ko, baka naman daw ma stranded pa kami or hindi makapasyal kasi super lamig. pero mukang fun nga kasi maka experience kami ng christmas doon. first christmas as husband and wife! :D

december 15-29 ang tinitingnan namin na dates.

[-c-h-a-]

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2011, 11:14:18 am »
m_lim, lamigin ka ba? :) ako oo, pero I survived naman the December/January weather of Europe. Layers lang talaga katapat

-thermal wear
-long sleeves
-cardigan (either naka long cardigan ako or yung normal length)
tapos long coat... either padded or thick wool coat

sa pang ibaba naman, underneath ng pants ko, may thermal rin ako

And boots! I wore my flat knee high boots

Plus scarf and gloves...

oh and nag ear muffs din ako at one point, kasi masakit sya sa tenga ;D

kayang kaya mo yan ;D

m_lim

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2011, 02:40:13 pm »
^pawisin ako eh. i turn red pag naiinitan. perfect yata ang december!wooohoo :)

thanks sis!!

mama squeak!

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2011, 10:12:47 pm »
^sis, usually yung blizzard in Europe mga mid-January to February basing on last winter's experience. Late November-December is the first half of winter yung second half or patapos na dyan usually nagkaka-aberya. Any other way it's going to be an adventure for you guys. So, I say go for it!

melodymedley

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2011, 10:29:58 pm »
Thanks for sharing your adventure sis goddessella! Wow, that's quite a handful for a 17days. Were you all Pinoys in the group? Really helpful info you shared - especially re the budgeting part. Kung hindi ko pa siguro na-book yung RT ticket ko, baka napatanong ako sa your travel agent's offer.

I think I can manage DIY. I've been spearheading DIY trips with friends locally so I have experience. My biggest concern now is safety because I am doing this alone for the first time.

Considering all your inputs, this is my revised itinerary:

Day 0 - Depart NAIA
Day 1 - Arrive in Amsterdam am. Check in. Rest.
         - PM: Canal tour, Walking Tour,
Day 2 - Amsterdam
          - more walking tours
          - PM:Check Red Light District
Day 3 - AMS to Bacharach (5 hours)
         - Walking tour
         - St. Goar - hike to Rheinfels castle (or do in Day 4)
Day 4 - Rhine River Cruise
         - more walking/exploration
          [Option to travel to Cologne to relatives]
Day 5 - Bacharach to Cologne (3 hours)
         - explore Cologne
Day 6 - more of Cologne
Day 7 - Cologne
         - Option 1: travel to Venice via train after lunch (14 hours at least) - arrive in Venice in the morning
         - Option 2: fly to Venice via Germanwings - Arrive in Venice at night
Day 8 - Explore Venice
         - St. Mark’s Basilica/Doges Palace/Campanile
         - The Rialto Bridge/Vaporetto Water Bus/Piazza San Marco
Day 9 - Walk around Venice in the morning
         - Optional: Guggenheim Museum or the Accademia
         - Venice to Florence (2 hours)
         - Duomo/Baptisry/Piazza della Signoria/Ponte Vecchio
Day 10 - Florence Art Day -Uffizi Tickets/Accademia Tickets/Bargello (optional)
          - sunset in Piazzale Michelangelo
Day 11- Best of Tuscany Tour (side trip to Sienna and Pisa). Overnight in Florence.
Day 12 - Day trip - Cinque Terre Trek. Overnight in Florence
Day 13 - morning: Church Day tour in Florence
           - Medici Chapels/Santa Croce/Santa Maria Novella/Orsanmichele
           - after lunch: head to Rome (1H35M)
           - try to see some sights Colosseum/Roman Forum
Day 14 - Half-day Vatican City Tour
           - Optional night tour: Legends and Mysteries of Rome
Day 15 - Angels and Demons Tours
            - Pantheon/Piazza Navona/Spanish Steps/Trevi Fountain (some places are already covered by the tour)
Day 16 - more of Rome in the morning
           - head to airport at 12nn
           - afternoon:Fly To Paris via EasyJet
           - arrive in Paris late afternoon. Explore Paris
Day 17 - Notre Dame Cathedral/Arc de Triomphe/Eiffel Tower/Sacre Coeur Basilica (Basilique du Sacré-Cœur)
Day 18 - Paris Museum Day: Louvre/Musee d’Orsay/Picasso Museum/Rodin Museum
Day 19 - day trip to Chateau de Versailles
Day 20 - day trip to a Castle. Still choosing. I'd love to go to Mont Saint Michel but it takes more than 3 hours/way of getting there.
Day 21 - Paris Optionals: Les Invalides/Napoleon's Tomb/Hotel de Ville/ St. Gervais-St. Proteus Church
           - Paris to AMS. Overnight in AMS.
Day 22 - Fly back to Manila.
Day 23 - Back to reality

Next steps:
1) Finalize choices in accommodations. I have a list of all the hostels/B&B I am eyeing but I have to read more in some
2) Cost analysis of getting an Eurail vs. getting P2P tickets. - Quite a masalimuot task.
3) Double-check all tour fees. Read reviews which ones need a guide and yung okay lang audio guide/self-tour.
4) Budget meals on each city.

After that, may Outfit Planning/Backpack vs. Luggage/Travel Insurance/Things to Bring Stages pa.

WHEW!

Let me know your thoughts.  :)

wowry

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #90 on: May 21, 2011, 01:21:41 am »
^^sis anytime! If I can't answer you any of the GTs here might know. By the way, in Wiesbaden have you gone to the biggest cuckoo clock in the world? Hubby and I had a laugh when we saw it  ;D  It's also in the city center. Ask any Wiesbadener and they'll know.

Thanks mama squeak! masyado pala malayo ang Russian Orthodox Church when i asked the reception nasa dulo siya ng map haha kaya hindi ako nagpunta kasi we are staying sa mismong center as in 10 mins walking to all the shops and churches there. Hinanap ko ang Cuckoo clock shop haha got a picture and some souvenirs from them. Thanks for the tip:D Lovely weather in Wiesbaden ang sarap tumambay sa park and see the kids playing around and the Germans with their awesome dogs :)

lavieenrose

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #91 on: May 21, 2011, 03:03:21 am »
melodymedley: I'm not an expert but I'd say your itinerary looks good and well-thought of. I suppose mama squeak can provide more comments. :)

If you're reading the Rick Steves books (I've finished Paris 2011 and the Florence part of Tuscany 2009), he always notes that you have to book the tickets in advance if possible. I saw my friends' pictures at the Eiffel tower and the lines to go to the top are ridiculously long. Similarly when I went to Venice I wasn't able to go to Basilica San Marco and any of the paid attractions (I wanted to see the Doges Palace and Accademia)-- there are really so many people waiting in line.

LOL at the outfit planning. I also have an excel file with my clothes plan. When are you taking your trip? I got my insurance from Bluecross and it was a breeze, took around 30 minutes to complete.

mama squeak!

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #92 on: May 21, 2011, 08:11:51 am »
@goddessella - Good inputs, sis! I agree on what melodymedley said on the budgetting part = tour vs. DIY.

@melodymedley - you're getting there na! I'll give some feedback and I also have some Qs on your IT as soon as I get home from my mini-vacation.

@wowry - yup, malayo yung Russian church. It's accessible if you have a ride. But worth it once you're there. It's situated on top of a hill at a park. Great view of the city once you're up there. Probably on your next trip?

Natawa ka rin sa biggest cuckoo clock in the world, 'no?  ;D Ayaw pa nga magpa-picture ni hubby pinilit ko lang. LOL!

wowry

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #93 on: May 21, 2011, 05:29:54 pm »
maybe on my next trip sana meron ako Frankfurt next month :P natawa ako at pinagtawanan ako kasi sana daw meron ako ng cuckoo clock nung highschool ako kasi palagi ako late dati hahaha...

melodymedley

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #94 on: May 23, 2011, 10:11:00 pm »
@lavieenrose: Thanks. Medyo comfy nako sa IT. I have 3 issues na lang. Hopefully mama squeak!'s expertise and other fellow GTers can address these:

1) Cheaper accomodation in Bacharach. Right now, ito lang yung nasa 43 euros/night ko na accommodation. I am thinking of skipping this and stay in Cologne na lang. Or Cologne-Munich-Venice.

2) Train or fly to Venice. Flying is so much cheaper but 9:00pm ang dating ko sa Venice aiport. Although there are still means of transpo pa naman going to Venice, I am quite hesitant arriving at night.

3) Allot one day just to get lost in Paris to shop vs. visit another castle (aside from Chateau de Versailles)


@goddessella: How much ang longchamp and san banda bibili?  ;D I am thinking if I have to budget for extra baggage allowance.

mommy_donya

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #95 on: May 24, 2011, 01:40:36 am »
Do we still need to get a transit visa if may 3hr stop-over in London Heathrow Airport for our Paris CDG-Manila flight?

italiandoll

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #96 on: May 24, 2011, 11:13:35 am »
Hi ladies! Seems like our trip'll push through this Oct, we opted to get a packaged tour instead of DIY coz I'm with my family so it would be less the hassle.  We'll also skip London and save that for another trip so our first stop will be in AMS.  The RT fare we were quoted was 1,590 USD/ person (through KLM) for MNL-AMS then CDG-AMS-MNL, i think it's kinda pricey and am checking for other options.  I checked QR and there's always an error when mock booking for MNL to AMS, any other airlines you can recommend? Thanks so much!  ;)

mama squeak!

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #97 on: May 24, 2011, 02:18:05 pm »
@melodymedley, sis some feedbacks:

1.) If you want to save more probably you can make Koln your base while doing the Rhine River Valley tour. Take the 2 hour train ride to Koblenz to start your cruise. If you find this bitin, then pack a daybag and stay overnight at either St. Goar or Bacharach.

Or to avoid backtracking, go to Koln first from Amsterdam. Then down the Rhine River ending at Frankfurt where you have more choices to get a flight to Venice. Or even a long train ride to Venezia Sta. Lucia.

On arriving at night in Marco Polo airport, I haven't been there yet but like you I would be a bit wary arriving alone at night at an unfamiliar place. I wouldn't mind doing this in Germany where everything is like clockwork and all things are very efficient. Not to mention almost all Germans speak English (English is a Germanic based language by the way).

2.) Museum tours in Venezia, Florence and Rome - I read that one has to book these in advance or it is more advantageous if one will join an accredited tour guide/company. I guess things in Italy work differently compared to the other Euro states. Let me know how this works out for you.

3.) I say, get lost in Paris! Paris has a lot to offer. You might even be lucky if your visit coincides with their annual food and wine festival. Eat and drink all you can along the river Seine!

4.) LC is everywhere! They have their own boutique and most department stores like Galeries Lafayette, Printemps, Bon Marche carry the brand. Check their website and select the French e-store for the prices. They're the same lang with the prices at the store. Plus you get tax rebates pa with a minimum purchase.

 :)
« Last Edit: May 24, 2011, 02:32:38 pm by mama squeak! »

mama squeak!

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #98 on: May 24, 2011, 02:27:04 pm »
I saw my friends' pictures at the Eiffel tower and the lines to go to the top are ridiculously long.

LOL at the outfit planning. I also have an excel file with my clothes plan. When are you taking your trip? I got my insurance from Bluecross and it was a breeze, took around 30 minutes to complete.

La Tour Eiffel made some improvements! One can book tickets online as long as you have a specific date and time you would want to visit/climb the tower. Ticket holders have their own special entrance, no more humongous queues. Check their website:

http://ticket.toureiffel.fr/letter-css5-sete-pg3001.html

Re insurance, lately all my travel insurances are with Blue Cross too. I just give my travel agent a call and voila! Delivered to my doorstep.   :)


 

mama squeak!

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Re: European Tours II
« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2011, 02:31:01 pm »
Do we still need to get a transit visa if may 3hr stop-over in London Heathrow Airport for our Paris CDG-Manila flight?

Yes, you do need one. Check the UK Border Agency website:

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/howtoapply/infs/inf20transit

 :)

 

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