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twelve5

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2009, 12:12:31 am »
So ngayon ang gamit ko palabas ng country is yun foreign passport ko, tapos naka-attach xerox copy nung immigration certificate

totoo ba yung nabasa ko na pag i-present mo sa phil immigration ang foreign passport + identification certificate, yung tatak mo may "PC" "IC" (pala) meaning id cert also presented?

(pag foreign passport + phil passport naman - "PP" ang tatak.)
« Last Edit: May 06, 2009, 01:07:48 am by twelve5 »

twelvth_goddess

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2009, 03:17:57 am »
I have both Phil and US passport pero wala kong dual citizenship na documents kase dito naman ako sa pinas pinanganak. Which passport do I present paglabas ko ng pinas and pagbabalik na ko?

twentysomething gal

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2009, 05:27:19 am »
^ kung pupunta ka ng US, e di US passport ang gamitin mo. Para di ka mahirapan sa Point of entry sa US.
Wala namang hassle kung yung US passport mo uli yung gagamitin mo pag balik mo ng pinas e.  :)

Ang mahirap lang, kapag may stamp ka na IC pag pasok mo sa Pinas, pag balik mo ng US may additional fees kang babayaran sa immigration sa Pinas:

P1350- ECC Fee
P500- Express Processing Fee (what's this???)

plus the P750 terminal fee, so be ready to dish out about P 2,600 para lang makalabas ng immigration. Hay!

Minsan hindi ko nalang sinasabi na may recognition ID ako, kasi ganun din naman, bibigyan ka nila ng visa to be able to enter the Philippines then magbabayad ka rin ng P 2,600 pag alis mo. Ano ang benefit ng IC dun?
« Last Edit: May 06, 2009, 05:36:37 am by twentysomething gal »

twelve5

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2009, 06:45:14 am »
^ dont you get asked by the US immigration about the "IC" stamp on your passport? thats what worries me. baka tanungin ako why i have dual citizenship.  although i know its not illegal, i just dont want to be asked kasi i might give the wrong answer. tactless kasi ako eh. hehe

about the fees, kala ko nga may exemptions pag dual ka.  :P

twelve5

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2009, 06:50:24 am »
I have both Phil and US passport pero wala kong dual citizenship na documents kase dito naman ako sa pinas pinanganak.

so do you have dual citizenship or not?

based on my understanding, when you take your US naturalization oath, you renounce your PI citizenship. for you to have dual cit, you have to apply for it pa.

or you may have a different case from us.  :)

 
« Last Edit: May 06, 2009, 06:54:25 am by twelve5 »

Chase~

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2009, 07:59:42 am »
Same situation here. I went back here to the Phils. nung 2003. I used my US passport. Now 6years na ako dito and plan ko to go back by dec. Pag nagpadual ba ako, waived na yung overstaying fees ko dito sa pinas?

akthung

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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2009, 02:07:58 pm »
^talaga? Never ko pa na-experience yan. Ewan ko kung nagkataon lang na nangyari sa akin, or ganoon sila sa lahat ng foreign passport holders born in the philippines, or baka pangit talaga reputation ng pinas sa kanila, but when I went to Korea and used my foreign passport, tinignan pa ako ng immigration officer(look niya parang talaga xray eyes), isa isa tinignan yun pages. Yun 2 people naman before me, foreign passport din, pero ang bilis nila, tinatakan lang. Tapos nung pauwi ako doon naman sa ticketing counter, binigyan naman ako ng ticket but sabi wait a moment. Tapos tinignan pa ng surpervisor yun passport ko, tapos may siya sinabi na "Philippines".

sis, kaya nga sabi ko "Generally." There are times when we'll get away with it, there are times when we will not.

I was on board a plane that got delayed for more than 8 hours. A lot of flights were delayed that day (same airline) all XXX citizens, including Me, were sent to stay in a Hotel, inclusive of free lunch and dinner. While those on other flights, na mga kababayan natin, who also got delayed (some more than 10 hours) were left to stay sa air port w/o free food.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2009, 02:13:36 pm by akthung »

twelvth_goddess

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2009, 09:03:36 pm »
so do you have dual citizenship or not?

based on my understanding, when you take your US naturalization oath, you renounce your PI citizenship. for you to have dual cit, you have to apply for it pa.

or you may have a different case from us.  :)

 

Wala kong dual citizenship documents. Ang case ko kase, dito ako sa pinas pinanganak, Pinoy ang parents ko but my dad was a US citizen kase US navy sya. Tapos I was petitioned in 1992 so meron ako consular report of birth abroad, US passport and SSN. I never had to take an oath when I was petitioned (I really don't know why..my dad passed away a few days before my petition was approved ). When I went to the US embassy to ask if I need to undergo any other process or have any other documents to complete my citizenship, sabe wala  na daw cus the fact that I have the consular report of birth aborad means that I'm a US citizen na. Nung 2006, nag-apply ako for Phil passport and nakakuha naman ako. So I now have 2 passports but without any dual citizenship docs kase nung nagtanong ako sa BI, kung may phil passport na daw ako, I don't need to get any other documents.

Im just curious to know kung anong passport dapat ko ipresent paglalalabas ako ng Pinas. Of course pagdating ko sa States, given na yung US passport ko gagamitin ko.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2009, 09:06:40 pm by twelvth_goddess »

twentysomething gal

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2009, 04:52:52 am »
^ dont you get asked by the US immigration about the "IC" stamp on your passport? thats what worries me. baka tanungin ako why i have dual citizenship.  although i know its not illegal, i just dont want to be asked kasi i might give the wrong answer. tactless kasi ako eh. hehe

about the fees, kala ko nga may exemptions pag dual ka.  :P

di naman, ilang beses narin ako nag bakasyon sa Pinas, walang hassle pag balik sa US. Di naman nila ata tinitingnan un e. mas pinapahirapan pa nila ako at pinipilit na baka daw may dala akong bagoong or mangga!!!!

twelve5

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2009, 09:32:02 am »
twelvth_goddess, your case is different nga... anyways, based what i read online from philippine govt sites,  they recommend that when you leave and enter the phils, it's best to present both your US and phil passports... and in the US, present just your US passport.

twentysomething gal, that's a relief to know that they dont care about the PP or IC stamps... lol at the bagoong at mangga question. lahat ata ng pinoy tinatanong nyan. dagdag mo pa chicharon.  ;D

thanks to everyone who participated on this thread.  :)

grumpybear

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2009, 10:48:02 am »
so twelvth_goddess, natural-born citizen ka ng both US and Philippines, tama ba?

twelvth_goddess

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2009, 08:40:11 pm »
Natural born pinay, as in sa QC ako pinanganak, tapos na-petition lang nung 1992. Hinde ko nga alam kung bakit parang ibang process yung nangyari sa min kase we never had to take an oath. Basta nung na-approve yung citizenship namin ng kuya ko, binigyan na kame kagad ng SSN and consular report of birth abroad. I was 10 yrs old and my kuya was 12 at that time. Sa ibang forums nabasa ko na pag na-aapprove petition nila, kelangan muna nila mag-stay sa US for x-number of years bago ma-apply talaga ang pagiging US citizen. Im not sure if it was because my dad was a US navy.

Chase~

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2009, 09:13:26 pm »
US cit ba sya nung pinanganak ka? Automatic kasi na cit na rin ang anak pag 1 sa parents mo e US cit. Parehong pareho tayo. 9 years ng US airforce dad ko when i was born. Dito rin ako pinanganak sa pinas. Pero sakin naman, nung 1998 ako nagpunta ng US. And dun na ako kumuha ng SSN and blue passport. Hindi ko lang maalala kung jus sanguinis or jus solis yung case ko, nasa the constitution kasi ng pinas yung about sa dual citizenship

twelvth_goddess

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2009, 10:13:35 pm »
^^Yup sis Chase, my dad was an American citizen na when i was born. Does this mean ba sis na pag nagkaanak ako, automatic na din na magiging US citizen sya?

twentysomething gal

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2009, 11:22:52 pm »
^yup. kapag dito ka sa US manganak, automatic na dadating na sa mail yung SSN ng baby mo. Kapag sa Pinas, you have to report it sa us embassy so that the baby can receive the consular report of birth abroad.

Sa mata ng US govt, citizen ang baby mo. Sa mata din ng Phil govt (if your baby was born in the Phils) citizen din siya. So I guess the oath taking thing and having a recognition ID is just a way of formally recognizing you as a citizen of any country. Kung baga para lang may documents ka. But technically, your baby and you are inherently dual citizens. I'm no lawyer though. 

Wala akong philippine passport but I'm having no problems travelling to the Phils. Ano nga ba uli ang benefit of having a Phil passport?

twelvth_goddess

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2009, 01:22:58 am »
^^Wow now ko lang yan nalaman. Iniisip kase namin ni hubby na kelangan sa States ako manganak para hinde na ko mahirapan mag-petition sa baby namin, Kase sya hinde ko pa naayos yung petition din.

Question: Bakit yung iba kelangan pa mag-file ng petition para sa mga anak nila?

Chase~

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2009, 08:25:21 am »
Ive a question din.
Pag aalis ba ako ng pinas, yung blue passport and dual cit certificate lang ang ipapakita ko? Hindi na ako sisingilin ng overstaying penalties/fees?

I just had my blue passport renewed and on the process na yung application ko ng dual cit.

grumpybear

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2009, 01:29:14 pm »
I don't know how reliable wikipedia is but,

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Through birth abroad to one United States citizen
For persons born on or after November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[4]

One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born;
The citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before his or her child's birth;
A minimum of 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
INA 301(g) makes additional provisions to satisfy the physical-presence requirements for periods citizens spent abroad in “honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization”. Additionally citizens who spent time living abroad as the “dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person” in any of the previously mentioned organizations can also be counted.

A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of his or her citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of his or her citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.

Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law is applicable as it existed at the time of the individual's birth.

So pagkakaintindi ko, for your children, twelvth_goddess, in order for them to be US citizens, kailangan sa US ka manganak or you must live in the US for 5 years before they are born.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2009, 01:33:37 pm by grumpybear »

twelve5

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Re: Dual citizenship - ok ba?
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2009, 01:33:37 pm »
sana i-discuss naman ito sa citizen pinoy.  ;D

i went to their website, $300 na pala ngayon initial consultation!

grumpybear

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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2009, 01:35:45 pm »
Here's a much more reliable website,
http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html

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Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad

Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock: A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). One of the parents MUST have resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth. No specific period of time for such prior residence is required.
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Father: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen father may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(a) INA provided:

1) a blood relationship between the applicant and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence;

2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the applicant's birth;

3) the father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until the applicant reaches the age of 18 years, and

4) while the person is under the age of 18 years --

A) applicant is legitimated under the law of their residence or domicile,

B) father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or

C) the paternity of the applicant is established by adjudication court.

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother: A child born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 301(g) INA, as made applicable by Section 309(c) INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.


 

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