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cassie

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Re: Fresh cow's milk for babies?
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2009, 12:24:45 pm »
huhuh my son still doesn't like fresh milk!! I've tried Alaska, Nestle, Cowhead, Anchor.. Haaaay, any more suggestions what I can give him?

My pedia said ok lang din if Chocolate flavor. Has any of you tried giving Chocolate flavor to your kids?  My pedia also said to keep milk intake maximum at 16oz per day coz he's supposed to be eating more solids rather than milk (which he does naman).. And she said better talaga pag liquid milk rather than powdered milk :)  Is it because of the sugar content in powdered milk?

darna88

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #41 on: December 21, 2009, 04:01:32 pm »
any insights?......

pie06

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2009, 06:12:18 pm »
My son is drinking soya milk.  His pedia did not prescribed any special vitamins.  His current vitamins are cherifer and ceelin @4mths.

leletmd

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2009, 09:07:52 pm »
Goat's milk was used in the past and still being used as an alternative to cow's milk in people who develop cow's milk allergy, but it has been found to be just as allergenic as cow's milk. It has a high protein content, which isn't good because it may overload the kidneys and cause edema (pagmamanas). It is deficient in folic acid and iron. Its' carbohydrate content is also only 25% compared to the 35 to 65% found in breast milk.
Soy milk was and is still being used as an alternative to cow's milk in people with cow's milk allergy, but there are about 30% of patients who may have both cow's milk and soy milk allergy at the same time. It is also low in folic acid and calcium.
These milk formulas should not be used without the advice and guidance of a physician.
Why are goat's milk and soy milk just as allergenic as cow's milk? Because they are all considered as foreign substances and therefore, our immune system may create antibodies against them, producing allergies.
Bottomline: Breastmilk is still best for babies.  :)

jaiaquino

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Re: Fresh cow's milk for babies?
« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2009, 07:38:57 am »
^my daughter also refused to take any other milk other than breast milk for quite awhile. i had to experiment with several brands and types. what worked so far are: (1) the strawberry flavored dutchmilk yoghurt milk (my pedia said not to give more than 2 packs a day), (2) strawberry flavored cowhead, and (3) apple flavored dutchmilk yoghurt milk. she also prefers to drink them from the tetra packs, not sure why.

darna88

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2009, 01:24:41 am »
really goats milk is lack in folic acid?...but the nutritional pedia recommended it over cows milk to babies wth allergic kasi may digestible and yun nga to free from allergy.

THIS IS SOME PARTS OF THE ARTICLES THAT I HAD READ:
In many parts of the world, goats milk is preferred to cow's milk. Even in the United States, the goat is gaining popularity. Goats eat less and occupy less grazing space than cows, and in some families the backyard goat supplies milk for family needs. Goat's milk is believed to be more easily digestible and less allergenic than cow's milk.

Different fat
Goats milk contains around ten grams of fat per eight ounces compared to 8 to 9 grams in whole cow's milk, and it's much easier to find lowfat and non-fat varieties of cow's milk than it is to purchase lowfat goats milk. Unlike cow's milk, goat's milk does not contain agglutinin. As a result, the fat globules in goats milk do not cluster together, making them easier to digest. Like cow's milk, goat's milk is low in essential fatty acids, because goats also have EFA-destroying bacteria in their ruminant stomachs. Yet, goat milk is reported to contain more of the essential fatty acids linoleic and arachnodonic acids, in addition to a higher proportion of short-chain and medium-chain fatty acids. These are easier for intestinal enzymes to digest.

Different protein
Goat milk protein forms a softer curd (the term given to the protein clumps that are formed by the action of your stomach acid on the protein), which makes the protein more easily and rapidly digestible. Theoretically, this more rapid transit through the stomach could be an advantage to infants and children who regurgitate cow's milk easily. Goats milk may also have advantages when it comes to allergies. Goat's milk contains only trace amounts of an allergenic casein protein, alpha-S1, found in cow's milk. Goats milk casein is more similar to human milk, yet cow's milk and goat's milk contain similar levels of the other allergenic protein, beta lactoglobulin. Scientific studies have not found a decreased incidence of allergy with goats milk, but here is another situation where mothers' observations and scientific studies are at odds with one another. Some mothers are certain that their child tolerates goat's milk better than cow's milk, and mothers are more sensitive to children's reactions than scientific studies.

Different minerals
Although the mineral content of goat's milk and cow's milk is generally similar, goat's milk contains 13 percent more calcium, 25 percent more vitamin B-6, 47 percent more vitamin A, 134 percent more potassium, and three times more niacin. It is also four times higher in copper. Goat's milk also contains 27 percent more of the antioxidant selenium than cow's milk. Cow's milk contains five times as much vitamin B-12 as goat's milk and ten times as much folic acid (12 mcg. in cow's milk versus 1 mcg. for goat's milk per eight ounces with an RDA of 75-100 mcg. for children). The fact that goat's milk contains less than ten percent of the amount of folic acid contained in cow's milk means that it must be fortified with folic acid in order to be adequate as a formula or milk substitute for infants and toddlers, and popular brands of goat's milk may advertise "fortified with folic acid" on the carton.


leletmd

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2009, 03:25:59 pm »
Goat's milk per se is deficient in folic acid which is why there is a need for manufacturers to fortify their goat's milk formulas with more folic acid. This goes the same for soy milk. The available milk formula here, Isomil, has added iron, calcium and folic acid because it lacks these vitamins and minerals.
As for goat's milk and soy milk being used as a substitute for cow's milk in patients with cow's milk allergy, as I said in my previous post, it may be used as a substitute and it is still being used. BUT... parents still have to be informed that there is a possibility that the patient/child can still get reactions from these 2 milk formulas since there is still about 25 to 30% cross reactivity with cow's milk. Also, like any type of food, it is considered a foreign antigen by the body so the immune system of an atopic individual (someone who is prone to allergies) may develop antibodies against it. Thus, there is still a possibility for allergies to develop against goat's milk and soy milk in a patient who is also allergic to cow's milk.
If allergies to cow's milk, soy milk and goat's milk develops, then there are only 2 possible alternatives: go back to breastfeeding if it still possible or shift the patient to a completely hydrolyzed milk formula such as Alfare and Nutramigen. These 2 milk formulas have denatured proteins so the body doesn't recognize them as cow's milk and the end result is no allergies will develop from them. The downside is it is quite expensive. A small can costs about 1000++.
Sorry if napahaba ang post ko.

kaiz

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Re: Fresh cow's milk for babies?
« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2009, 08:04:55 am »
my son naman, first taste niya sa freshmilk eh nagustuhan pero kinabukasan nung pinainom ko ulit, ayaw na

season

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Re: Fresh cow's milk for babies?
« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2009, 07:38:17 pm »
both my boys took fresh milk when they turned one.  they were both breastfed!

lyndonn22

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2009, 02:48:37 pm »
my baby's in soy milk... i'm unluckly don't have sufficient breast milk kase. i have noticed she's having difficulty gaining weight.

any mom here experiencing the same? help.

my baby's 10 months now ang she just weight 7.8 kg.

kimebies

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Re: Fresh cow's milk for babies?
« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2010, 10:31:50 am »
My son loooves fresh milk- any brand. :) We discovered that he likes it kasi everytime we go to this coffee shop my Mum will get an extra shot of milk for him and my son would sip it and hingi pa to my Mum when he's done with it.

Tapos we always have Cowhead sa fridge and gagawin nya every AM he'll open the fridge and get the milk carton and ask his Nanny to pour some sa glass nya. Now everytime we go out, lagi ko sya pinababaunan ng fresh milk.

darna88

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #51 on: January 01, 2010, 04:07:04 pm »
anyone here uses DG goats milk?

sirioprints

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2010, 07:56:25 pm »
I'm not a doctor but I've read articles saying that soy proteins raise the levels of estrogen in the body which according to the article isn't exactly good news especially for boys.

you can google soy and estrogen. You'll find a lot of information. but it's best to ask your family doctor

majal

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2010, 10:01:54 pm »
my 5 month old daughter is alergic to milk. she tried goats milk, hydrogenized whey and soymilk...now she is using naman yung promil lactose free....she is finishing her 2nd can, i hope maging ok na sya since hindi na ako makakabreastfeed

darna88

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2010, 10:18:17 pm »
yup i also had read that news that soy can affect the fertility bec of too much estrogen on it...that's why i rather had choose goats milk over the soy...but the culprit in goats milk naman is that medyo deficient sila in vit.b12 and folic acid pero may remedy naman pwede naman i can supply the lack of these vit. by eating foods rich in folic acid and vit. b12...thats why bet. the two had  rather choose goats milk....

but my question kasi is pwede ba supplment lang ng vitamins na rich in folic acid..kasi sympre hndi naman everyday available samin yun mga foods na rich in folate..

leletmd

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2010, 09:16:07 pm »
my 5 month old daughter is alergic to milk. she tried goats milk, hydrogenized whey and soymilk...now she is using naman yung promil lactose free....she is finishing her 2nd can, i hope maging ok na sya since hindi na ako makakabreastfeed

Sis, does she have cow's milk allergy or just lactose intolerance? Because if she is allergic to cow's milk, then giving a lactose free cow's milk formula like promil lactofree, AL110, etc. will not work because it still contains cow's milk.
Lactose intolerance is different from cow's milk allergy. It is actually not an allergy. It is just the inability to properly digest cow's milk due to lack of the enzyme needed for its' metabolism. Your immune system doesn't create IgE antibodies against cow's milk. Symptoms are mostly intestinal: diarrhea, bloating, etc. after intake of dairy products.
On the other hand, cow's milk allergy occurs when after intake of dairy products, your immune system develops IgE antibodies against the cow's milk, leading to rashes, itchiness, diarrhea, vomiting, etc. It's the IgE antibodies that causes these symptoms to occur.
Madalas kasi napagkakamalang pareho sila pero they're not the same.
Treatment is also different for each of them. For lactose intolerance, you can simply shift to a cow's milk lactose free formula but for cow's milk allergy, you have to shift to a cow's milk free, lactose free formula as well as treat the allergic reaction with anti-histamines, etc.

leletmd

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2010, 10:03:10 pm »
darna88: All multivitamins contain Vit b12, but not necessarily folic acid. You have to ask your pedia nutritionist/GI if it will be ok to give your baby added folic acid and how much, because there is a proper way of giving folic acid, depending on the nutritional status of the child. For undernourished kids, folic acid loading dose is given prior to the maintenance dose. It is also given as powder form (computed per dose and processed by the pharmacy), since there are no available drops/syrup formulations of folic acid.

Re: phytoestrogens and soy milk formula, more research is still needed to determine if there is a long term effect to the child's reproductive system, particularly males. In the latest American Academy of Pediatrics Policy statement on soy milk formula (May, 2008), they stated that soy milk formula is still considered safe and effective, but should only be given when indicated such as the ff cases:
a. Babies who have galactosemia or hereditary lactase deficiency
b. Parents who wish to raise their full term baby as vegetarian
c. Infants with true lactose intolerance (but in this case, a lactose free formula may be better)
d. Infants with IgE mediated cow's milk allergy but not allergic to soy (since there is a 30% cross reactivity between cow's milk and soy milk)

my baby's in soy milk... i'm unluckly don't have sufficient breast milk kase. i have noticed she's having difficulty gaining weight.

any mom here experiencing the same? help.

my baby's 10 months now ang she just weight 7.8 kg.

My son who is 2 years and 4 months old has been on Isomil for more than a year due to cow's milk allergy (that eventually led to atopic dermatitis) and so far, we haven't had any weight gain problems. His weight ranges from 17 to 18 kgs. He is also not taking any multivitamins.
Sis lyndon22, how is your daughter's supplementary feeding intake? How much soy milk intake does she have/day? Is she taking any multivitamins? When did you notice the weight gain problem? Before starting soy milk or just after soy milk introduction?
« Last Edit: January 03, 2010, 10:06:58 pm by leletmd »

sweeet

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2010, 10:17:07 pm »
wait sis LETLETMD  2 yrs and 4 months na baby mo pero more than a year palang sya ng iisomil? so u mean after exclusive breastfeeding him??? did i get it right?

leletmd

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2010, 06:06:55 pm »
wait sis LETLETMD  2 yrs and 4 months na baby mo pero more than a year palang sya ng iisomil? so u mean after exclusive breastfeeding him??? did i get it right?

Sis, leletmd po, not letletmd   :)
Nutritional history of my son: Breastfed --> pumped breastmilk --> mixed feeding with Nan HW1 --> Isomil
For a while, he was ok with Nan HW1, but later on, he developed rashes and intestinal problems while he was on it, so we switched to Isomil.

darna88

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Re: goats milk and soy milk VERSUS cows milk?
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2010, 02:05:51 pm »
Sis, leletmd po, not letletmd   :)
Nutritional history of my son: Breastfed --> pumped breastmilk --> mixed feeding with Nan HW1 --> Isomil
For a while, he was ok with Nan HW1, but later on, he developed rashes and intestinal problems while he was on it, so we switched to Isomil.




sis leletmd naka isomil pala baby mo pero wala namna sya tinetake na folic acid supplement? since lack nga kamu yung soy milk sa folic acid..tenks so much

 

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