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snowyice

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #360 on: February 14, 2012, 07:45:41 pm »
^^his pedia prescribe na pang spray but we never tried it sabi niya yun na lang daw kesa magdadala ako ng neb kit it's the same lang daw.

leletmd

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #361 on: February 15, 2012, 06:33:53 pm »
^ If you are referring to the Ventolin MDI (metered dose inhaler) used as a substitute for nebulizing, then, yes, it is an option if you cannot bring your nebulizer during your trip to HK. It is the portable version for the delivery of the beta agonist medication, salbutamol.
Have your pedia teach your son on how to properly use the Ventolin MDI. There is a proper technique on how to use it kasi.
If he understands how to use it , then you may bring it instead. If hindi niya mafollow ang instructions, then I suggest you lug around your nebulizer during your trip.

snowyice

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #362 on: February 15, 2012, 06:51:55 pm »
^Salmetrol +Fluticasone Propionate Diskus hindi ba ito basta spray lang? TIA!

leletmd

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« Reply #363 on: February 15, 2012, 07:24:16 pm »
^ No, that is not the same MDI as I posted. The one I posted, which I though you had is Ventolin or Salbutamol MDI, which is used as an "as needed" medication or for rescue dose.
Salmeterol plus Fluticasone discus is a maintenance medication for Asthma, meant to be used daily. What were the instructions of your pedia regarding its' use?
I beg to disagree with your pedia but you cannot use the Salmeterol Fluticasone discus as substitute for nebulizing. Hindi ito dapat gamitin as needed.
Hindi rin ito spray. There is a proper way to use the discus.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2012, 07:35:45 pm by leletmd »

snowyice

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #364 on: February 15, 2012, 08:25:46 pm »
Ang sabi lang niya gamitin ng 2x a day kapag sinumpong ng asthma sa HK.  Bihira lang naman sumpungin ng Asthma son ko usually kapag dinikit lang niya nose niya sa mga carpet dun lang siya nagkaka asthma. The instruction that was given to me was spray once inhale then spray 2x time hold breath for 10seconds before inhale. 900+ 1 bottle niya ang mahal  ;D

leletmd

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #365 on: February 15, 2012, 10:59:45 pm »
^ Sigh... It is not meant to be used as a rescue medication.
Fluticasone proprionate is a steroid. Salmeterol is a long acting beta 2 agonist. Hindi sila mabilis mag-effect and to see effects, they should be used for a long period of time. Pang daily use sila.
In times of asthma attacks, dapat rescue medications such as short acting beta 2 agonists (salbutamol) ang gamitin.
I'd bring the nebulizer to HK. I would not bring the Salmeterol - Fluticasone diskus, unless it was being used as a maintenance medication.

This is the leaflet information on the Salmeterol - Fluticasone (Seretide) diskus:

http://hcp.gsk.com/content/products/respiratory/products/18386/18390/Seretide-Accuhaler_EU_SP_PIL

snowyice

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #366 on: February 16, 2012, 12:38:15 pm »
^ :(. I will bring my neb kit na nga lang baka mapaano pa ang anak ko. Thanks po!

redpill

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #367 on: February 17, 2012, 02:39:21 pm »
ang 3month-old baby ko may allergic rhinitis na.. :(

hunny_ally

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #368 on: February 17, 2012, 03:25:44 pm »
^sabi naman ng ent who saw my son during his hospitalization at 3mos, at a very young age Hindi mo puwede kaagad I-label as allergic rhinitis. possible daw that the colds/allergic attacks is a result of the waning of maternal defenses we passed on to the baby. Not sure how accurate this is. Medyo Hindi ako bilib with that doctor.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2012, 03:29:16 pm by hunny_ally »

redpill

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #369 on: February 17, 2012, 03:48:04 pm »
^ayoko nga din sana maniwala na may alergic rhinitis na si gio, kaso 2 pedia na kasi nagsabi.. napaisip tuloy ako if mana-mana ba itong sakit na to.. :(

hunny_ally

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #370 on: February 17, 2012, 03:50:33 pm »
^yan din sabi nung ent. Given my family's strong history of allergic rhinitis, most likely my son has it too.

leletmd

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« Reply #371 on: February 17, 2012, 06:26:20 pm »
ang 3month-old baby ko may allergic rhinitis na.. :(

At 3 months of age, hindi pa pwede idiagnose ang Allergic rhinitis. Infants are really prone to colds due to immature nasal anatomy. Also, maraming viral infections that occur at that age.
Usually 6 months above saka nagkakaroon ng sensitization with aero/inhalant allergens kaya doon pa lang pwedeng magdevelop ng allergic rhinitis.

lilsaintsm0m

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« Reply #372 on: February 19, 2012, 11:12:21 am »
paano ba madisinguish if its really allergies rather than colds or cough na bacterial origin na? Classmate kasi ng son ko allergies lang daw ang ubo lately they discoverd may pneumonia na pala yung bata. The doctors didn't know then pinakingan lang ang lungs 2 different doctors pa wala naman narinig but iba ang lumabas sa xray. The kid was hospitalized for 2 weeks. Nacoconfuse lang kasi ako... :-\

snowyice

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #373 on: February 19, 2012, 08:41:43 pm »
ako may allergic rhinitis most often allergy ang cough kapag sa throat lang galing pero kapag mas deep ang ubo iba na yun.  I got pneumonia before akala ko allergic rhinitis lang but after taking medication hindi ako gumaling ayun nag pa checkup na ako pneumonia na pala.

leletmd

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #374 on: February 19, 2012, 09:37:57 pm »
@lilsaintsm0m:
If Allergic:
Symptoms are episodic. Symptoms are present when the patient is exposed to their allergen/trigger. If you take away the trigger, the symptoms disappear.
Example: If a patient is allergic to house dust mites, symptoms usually appear late at night or early morning because this is the time when the house dust mites come out to eat our dead skin. The patient is ok the rest of the day.
Clear and watery ang nasal discharge
Also, if allergic ang cause, walang fever, walang body aches

If Infectious:
Whole day ang symptoms and there's usually associated fever and other constitutional signs and symptoms such as body aches, headache, etc. Buong araw masama ang pakiramdam ng patient.
Usually thick and purulent/yellowish ang nasal discharge or ang phlegm.
There may also be a history of exposure or more than 1 person in the family is having cough and colds also.

A good history and physical examination will be able to distinguish between the 2 causes.

hunny_ally

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #375 on: February 20, 2012, 09:01:47 am »
^but doc is it correct that sometimes it can start as allergic in nature but progresses to bacterial? I noticed with my son before, he always starts with sniffles for several days then later on it progresses to bacterial. As in his nasal discharge changes from clear to yellowish. Then eventually it goes down to the lungs and becomes pneumonia. What can I do to avoid the progression?

sky_butterfly17

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #376 on: February 20, 2012, 10:26:18 am »
Hi doc,

sa case naman ng baby ko turning 13months. as per pedia allergic rhinitis nga daw. nawala na pa yung runny nose nya. pero singhot pa rin ng singhot. may tunog na parang may sipon pero hindi naman lumalabas. di po kaya sinusitis na yun, di ko po tuloy alam san ko sya dadalhin kung sa allergplogist/immuno or sa EENT. thanks po

leletmd

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« Reply #377 on: February 20, 2012, 09:20:19 pm »
^ It is more likely na barado pa rin ang nose ni baby kasi as you said, singhot pa rin ng singhot. Nachecheck up ba ang loob ng nose niya?
Madalas kasi, when a patient comes to us (whether child or adult), sasabihin sa amin, 'wala po akong sipon', but when we check inside the nose, we see nasal congestion/baradong nose. So, yes, wala ngang runny nose, pero barado naman ang nose so, may sipon pa rin.
I suggest you bring your child to an allergologist/immunologist to clarify if your child's rhinitis is indeed allergic rhinitis. And if, indeed, it is allergic rhinitis, para ma-identify ang triggers niya and maturuan ka ng avoidance measures.

^but doc is it correct that sometimes it can start as allergic in nature but progresses to bacterial? I noticed with my son before, he always starts with sniffles for several days then later on it progresses to bacterial. As in his nasal discharge changes from clear to yellowish. Then eventually it goes down to the lungs and becomes pneumonia. What can I do to avoid the progression?

Yes, it is possible for allergic diseases to lead to bacterial complications such as otitis media (ear infections), sinusitis and pneumonia.
The key there would be to identify what triggers it and avoid it so that the symptoms will disappear or not progress.
Or if, hindi talaga maiwasan ang trigger, when symptoms appear and if by history, mabilis ang progression ng symptoms, bring the child for consult and treat the disease properly.
If it occurs quite often, then, there may be a need to start maintenance medications. Kadalasan kasi, the reason why complications occur is because hindi properly treated ang allergic disease. For allergic rhinitis, ito yung mga nag- anti - histamines lang as needed when dapat naka - maintenance meds na pala.
For infants less than 2 years of age, you also have to consider that it might not be allergic at all, but rather, a viral infection that was not properly acted on by the immune system that led to the development of a bacterial infection.
Marami kasing viral infections at that age na katulad ng allergic diseases ang symptoms na naglelead to development of bacterial infections like pneumonia.
Example: Respiratory syncytial virus or RSV infections start out as colds/sniffles then may progress to wheezing. Ito yung madalas napapagkamalan na Infantile Asthma kasi katunog ng asthma and same character as asthma ang symptoms. RSV bronchiolitis may lead to pneumonia.
Maraming ring RSV cases during the allergy prone months (rainy/wet and cold seasons). Common infection ito for infants 3 months to 2 years of age.
An infant who suffers from recurrent or prolonged/chronic RSV infections have been shown to have an increased risk of developing asthma later on kaya may study na nagbibigay ng Montelukast for 6 months to infants with bronchiolitis in the hopes of preventing allergic disorders.

lilsaintsm0m

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Re: Allergic rhinitis?
« Reply #378 on: February 21, 2012, 01:13:52 pm »
Oic. Tama nga ang magkakaalam ko sa difference ng dalawa. Clear lang ang discharge ng sa anak ko. Yung maintenance po ba na medication how long po ba as in forever? Congestion ang problem ng son ko kaya may post nasal drip. Napansin ko din na para nakabulge yung pulp sa nose is this normal with a kid with allergy?

leletmd

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« Reply #379 on: February 22, 2012, 04:29:05 pm »
^ Nasal congestion kasi is already a sign that the symptoms have been going on for a long time already. Nasa chronic phase na ng disease kaya usually, maintenance medications na talaga ang treatment.
Hindi naman lifelong ang nasal steroids pero it might take months to years before it can be tapered off. There will be times na ma-didiscontinue ang nasal steroids then during active symptoms, ibabalik ulit.
It is important na while the patient is using nasal steroids or on maintenance medication, there is regular follow up para ma-assess ang response to treatment and the doctor can do appropriate tapering of the steroid dose.
What is the color of the nasal projections/pulps that you see bulging out? If it is pink or red (same color as nasal mucosa), then it is possible that it is just a swollen nasal turbinate, a finding that is expected in any patient with nasal congestion.
We all have nasal turbinates (3 turbinates: anterior, middle and posterior) and they become swollen due to nasal congestion.
If greyish naman ang nasal projections, then possible that it is nasal polyps. Ito ang hindi normal pero same treatment lang din naman with persistent allergic rhinitis. Nasal steroids can be used to treat nasal polyps.
I suggest that you clarify this with your son's allergologist. She is the best person to say what those projections are.

 

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