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Title: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on September 28, 2009, 08:08:31 am
Guys, what have you learned from the recent floodings?  on a individual level. yung tipong,

example A - I'll buy a small generator
example B - I'll build and elevated platform on my huge backyard so i can put my car there the next time it rains.
example C - I'll relocate to a place na mataas.
example D - I'll will put 2 big water tanks kasi  nawalan kami ng water.

and please don't put,

"oh we need to take care of the trees."
"we need to do garbage segregation"
"kasi its climate change/global warming"
"throw garbage correctly

I know the above things are true but it will take decades to take effect considering our system.

I'm looking for real, practical answers that we can apply should something happen again, knock on wood. we all know that our government is poor and that we have no real drainage/sewer/flood system.

thanks in advance.  ;D
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: babyjapnurse01 on September 28, 2009, 08:20:55 am
learned na from the previous floodings na nakita ko sa tv kaya the house mismo is elevated not just the garage. :) so far ang napagusapan namin ng mom ko is, i have to get a 2nd water tank installed both sa bahay ng mom ko and here sa bahay ko, mahirap maubusan ng malinis na tubig..

food, important na magkeep lagi ng food sa pantry, coz we'll never know kelan kakailanganin ng madaming food supply.

teka isip pa ko.. :P wala pa kong tulog eh, lag na ang brain cells ko haha!
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: Layla on September 28, 2009, 08:37:58 am
Dapat may 2nd floor or third floor yung bahay, kung may roof top mas maganda.

Learn how to swim while you can.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on September 28, 2009, 08:48:48 am
yeah, i think maganda din kung ang roof top ng 2 or 3 story house eh yung hindi lang yero...yung tipong may magagawa pa kayo sa roof instead of sitting on top of the yero and braving the wind and rain.

yung isang 2 story house namin, since alam namin na pwedeng abutin ng tubig kung may matinding baha, ginawa lang naming simple living room/gathering room yung ibaba. lahat talaga nasa 2nd floor.
so with the recent floods, oks lang kami dun sa ibaba dahil hindi naman magarbo at madaming furniture and fixtures. i also had a generator installed a few years ago. naglagay din ako ng malalaking best tanks.storage rooms for food and a separate storage room for fuel.

I also think that, if it has been raining for 4-6 hours straight. huwag na sigurong papasukin ang mga bata. an employee of mine was so worried about her son when she got home from work. kasi nawawala yung son niya. good thing nahanap din niya yung anak nya numerous hours later, halos gabi na ata if not the next day,im out the country kasi, but 4 of her son's classmates drowned. pano kasi they had to go somewhere, school thingie, held outside school. so they hopped from one class mates house to another. ang nakakabanas pa eh yung teacher hindi pumasok.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: prisma on September 28, 2009, 08:50:52 am
Must not throw rubbish   like plastic bag, styros etc...on roadsides. Learn how to recycle.

Must be prepared for things like this so as not to be caught flat footed.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: mooncake and leaves on September 28, 2009, 08:57:37 am
i don't see how saying that "i need to be more aware of the environment hence i should take care of my junk" is NOT on a micro/personal level of thinking. eh totoo naman na malaki kinalaman ng basura.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: babyjapnurse01 on September 28, 2009, 08:59:53 am
^ true! yan pa nga ang MAJOR dahilan ng baha. andaming pinoy na balahura, lalo na the squatters (no offense meant) pero sila pa nga ang salaula, kung san san lang nagtatapon ng mga basura nila, tapos pag nadali ng ganitong baha baha, sila ang #1 reklamador dahil sila din ang unang nabibiktima. errrr
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on September 28, 2009, 09:02:54 am
mga sis, im more concerned on PRACTICAL solutions. tama kayo pagdating sa basura at lahat. but its way too idealistic in the Philippine scenario. but even first world countries can't cut their pollution levels. The US criticizes China for their polution levels but won't cut on theirs. pakapalan ng mukha.

but kindly keep in mind and respect the limitations that i have set at the beginning of the thread..

maraming salamat.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: u8mypinkcookies on September 28, 2009, 09:17:55 am
learn to recycle. kita naman yung result if we throw the trashes everywhere, bumabalik din satin during times na may typhoon..

always be prepared. stock up on food and other basic necessities. we dunno when calamity would come and we'd need these things.

if masama na yung weather and you have to leave the house (go to work, etc.), check muna if safe ba or not.. better be absent nalang than mag-risk tapos get stranded in the end..

I just hope offices (or the gov't) would also consider yung pag suspend ng work during typhoon or yung after ng calamity.. kasi I noticed, always lang schools yung suspended e.. pero yung mga workers pinapapasok pa rin. syempre they also have to consider if na-affect sila ng typhoon/ flood badly, kelangan din nila mag-ayos ng houses nila.. or yung pag may bagyo mismo, kaya madaming na-stranded din e.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: prisma on September 28, 2009, 01:44:43 pm
For the government- maybe to have  better urban planning- but thats wishful thinking   ???

Don't turn a blind eye on the squatter problem ( just for the votes).

 
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on September 28, 2009, 08:01:41 pm
apparently may mga nagsasabi, since ang mga dams natin ay matatanda na and might crack kapag full, some one decided to release some of the water to ease pressure. kaya nagflood ng ganun. kasi pag nag crack ang dam, mas malaki ang problema.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: gt76 on September 28, 2009, 08:14:05 pm
Isa sa mga naisip ko aside from matutong magswimming, kailangang magtabi ng life jackets, salbabida and rechargeable lamp. (i hope it makes sense).
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ms.messed_up* on September 28, 2009, 08:21:03 pm
Iv'e learned not to depend totally to the government, alam na nga natin na palpak yung system natin dito, so wag na tayong mag depend sa kanila.

--Presence of mind ang kelangan, lakas ng loob at tulungan natin ang isa't isa.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on September 28, 2009, 08:40:44 pm
exactly sis, yan ang purpose ng paglagay ko ng limitations when i started the thread. I'm glad you saw my point.

gusto ko sana idiscuss yung mga pwede nating gawin. i may be able to segregate my basura, and recycle etc and it won't change reality that much if there are thousands who do not do what i do... but say, if i can afford to build a 3 story house and an elevated parking lot, i can give immediate security to my family and our belongings.


Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: jenny_syngkit on September 28, 2009, 09:15:59 pm
after what happened, napaisip din ako bumili ng life jackets, just in case. hindi kase ako marunong mag-swim :)

dapat we prepare a small bag (preferably water-resistant o naka-ziplock) na andun yung mga absolutely kailangan ma-save if something happens. kapag kase emergency mahirap mag-isip ng straight. so if something happens, grab your family and bag and go.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: Black_Bear on September 28, 2009, 09:39:32 pm
wala naman kasi kadala dala mga tao dito eh hanggat hindi bumabaha sa lugar nila hindi nila gagawin ang tama alam naman nilang mali gagawin pa din nila kasi gumagaya sa iba... common sense na lang diba.... minsan nakakasawa na din
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: Layla on September 28, 2009, 10:41:07 pm
I need to invest on various waterproof stuff--bags, ziplocs, jackets, etc.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: pretinnes on September 28, 2009, 10:48:25 pm
-stock up easy-to-cook foods and mineral water, just in case

-pagawa ng 2nd floor(kung pwede may 3rd pa), with rooftop/balcony para safe pa rin mag stay doon

-pagawa ng garage(at least kahit nababad ang kotse), mas okay na iyon kaysa nasa labas ang car na lumulutang na at pwede pang makadisgrasya sa ibang tao

-wag magtapon ng basura kahit saan

-kung pwede, bumili ng lote sa mataas na area
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: empress on September 28, 2009, 10:58:04 pm
- dapat may 2nd floor ang bahay namin
- dapat may generator na rin
- magpalagay na rin ng poso kasi pag walang kuryente, wala rin kaming tubig!
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: qt_ben17 on September 28, 2009, 11:05:58 pm
-for me, impractical sakin ang magpatayo pa ng 2nd or 3rd floor dahil 2 lang kame dito sa haws aalog alog na kami nun.  kelangan ko ng life jackets at... mini boat!!!

san nakakabili ng mini boat?? :D
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: freeswan on September 28, 2009, 11:19:05 pm
sa totoo lang, this recent incident was really an eye opener for me and my fiance. we're getting married this December and we are at this point of house hunting na. Our first option is in Montalban, Rizal then Antipolo. Recently, fiance transferred to his new job and his office is in Taguig, along Kalayaan Ave lang so we thought of getting a place in Pasig area or somewhere nearby. So we're down with PAsig, Marikina and Antipolo.

Then, this happened. Diyos ko, naisip ko yung mga tao, this is their first time to experience this. Everyone was sooo not prepared.

Ito natutunan ko:

In buying our house, I will have to check yung area niya (elevated or not), if it's near a body of water, drainage system, subdivision has water tanks, etc..

Will provide one life jacket for each member in the family. If kaya ng budget, malaking salbabida.

Always charge the flashlights. Nagbrownout kasi sa amin d pala nakacharge yung flashlight namin so I ended up using the flashlight from my pen.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: aquacharly on September 28, 2009, 11:49:18 pm
What did I learn, Akthung?
Eh may pagka obsessive nga ako di ba with systems for preparedness and all... so, the new things I learned from this disaster on us now are as follows:

1st:  To take weather forecasts seriously, always (CNN reports, not PagAsa.. sorry pero ganoon eh).

2nd:  In the event of heavy rains (I generally keep my kids home and work from home, malaki phobia ko sa dirty flood waters kasi) --  recall that boink!  this is MManila!  so.. close the office early and make the employees leave early (or maintain just a hostage skeleton staff).

3rd:  If you have an open  basement garage, even if you have comfortably safe elevations + a permanent pump in place with its own genset.... have a submersible pump on standby.   
Coz I had a few tense hours watching the street at the side of the house disappear underwater.   
What if my elevation is breached?  What if my permanent pump is not enough? 
I was convinced the only thing between an open  basement garage and a 2nd swimming pool is a submersible pump.  (My husband had 1 brought over within the first hour of heavy rains, so I kept my mouth shut about the inconvenience of basements in MManila). 

My advice:  Don't do basements in MManila. Don't even consider it if you want to sleep peacefully through a storm.)

My fears of a repeat performance of  this disaster -- soon and often -- is not allayed by statements like:  "The last time this happened was 20/40/whatever years ago."  "This is a rare occurrence..."   

What I see is all that MUD on tv. It will cake and harden, and further constrict sewers, water exit paths/lines ....

I am preparing for the next storm coming our way soon,  per CNN,  by not letting anybody relocate that submersible pump. 
"Barilin kaya kita kung ilipat mo yan?"    Our QC warehouseman decided it was not yet the right time this AM  to retrieve it from our house.         
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: majal on September 28, 2009, 11:52:33 pm
dapat may disaster plan sa house at dapat may disater drill na kasama lahat ng member ng household. Dapat din may disaster kit ang bawat house consisting of batteries, flashlight, canned goods (syempre dapat may can openner), medicines, water, thermal suits
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: aquacharly on September 28, 2009, 11:58:20 pm
QT_BEN17:  Consider buying a jetski.

As for WATER COLLECTION... mas matipid if you have a cistern (make sure it is airtight though; and constructed well) -- water seeks its own level.. even if the pumping stations do not work kasi brown-out, you will most likely continue to have water flowing into that cistern.  (ganyan sa amin)   

You use less koryente (less expense) if you have a cistern combined with a pump that pushes water up to your house (instead of a pump that must always work to push water up to an elevated storage tank).  Less expense too if you set it up in such a way that some parts of your house are fed straight from the cistern, no need to use a pump.
Mag brown out man ..even if you have no genset,  you will still have water in some parts of your house.

But my advice is, get a genset and locate it higher up than usual.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: sugar n spice on September 29, 2009, 01:10:27 am
I'll have my house built sa mataas na lugar. Sayang yung nabili kong lot sa cainta. Pero kung aabutin ng baha ang first floor ng bahay, trabahong malupit yon, marami pang masisirang gamit. Saka syempre yung safety ng family ko should come first

Papalagay ako ng water pump kasi hanggang ngayon wala pa rin kaming tubig.

I've read solar panel works even if it's cloudy or rainy, you just need to have a battery station para magkapag-store ka ng large amount of energy while the sun is up. Though I'm wondering of its durability against the storm.

Mag-stock ng food.

I'll check first kung gano na kalalim ang baha bago umuwi or umalis ng bahay. If I need to stay sa office, or if my kids need to stay at home kahit i-announce pa na may pasok, they'll stay at home, I'll stay in the office hanggang humupa ang baha. Na-stranded ako sa junction and had to spend the night sa kalsada ng walang food, walang water kundi baha. Kung meron mang food nagkakaubusan. Hay nakakatrauma.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on September 29, 2009, 06:12:31 am
@ aquacharly

sis pareho tayo sa #1 & #2

noon, i'd always surf the net for satellite pictures. specially nung nagsimula nang magbaha sa katipunan ave.

I relocated sa "katipunan area" noong 1993. its about 5 minutes drive from where i live and all i can say is, since the time na tinanggal nila yung mga puno doon at yung island (the one that divides katipunan ave), at yung mga puno at island that separates katipunan ave and its service road. ayun, nagbabaha na! 

tapos, ever since nagkaroon ng mga U-turn (bayani) lalong nagkakatraffic tuwing may ulan.

eto ang isang MALAKING negative effect ng mga Bayani U-turns, lalo na pag may kalamidad
-----basta merong hindi magbigay or may nagstuck up na yung paglilikuan mo, yari ka na barado ka na!

i have to admit that in some situations, nakakatulong ang mga Bayani U-turns. but katipunan wise, tuwing nagbabaha, it just makes things worse. mas maganda pa noong walang mga u-turn.

So...

if it rains for 3-4 hours straight, i usually call it a day. I'd have my secretary call all my customers. pag 2 hours straight na umuulan, i would usually send a scout on a bike or motor, to check katipunan avenue.

my employees kasi need to pass through katipunan when going home.

the last time nagbaha sa katipunan (before Undoy) it took 14 hours for my neighbor to cross it. (from UP to Katipunan Extension, pagkababa ng tulay)

******
Yung house namin sa Cainta is a very high two floor house. Nagbaha doon noong early 80s. as in super grabeng lalim. malapit kami sa junction. we were one of the few houses noon na dalawa ang floors.

ang masasabi ko lang eh, naging refugee center kami.
and my mom was cooking food all day long for the next few days.

so sa mga may balak mag 2nd or 3rd floor, you may want to look at that angle. you will have to take into consideration having other people at your home.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: redmomma on September 29, 2009, 06:53:31 am
dapat lagi may stock na ready to cook foods.. candles, flashlight.. atleast have one emergency bag always prepared lagyan mo na damit.. i think these were one of the tips showed in the morning shows have one bag always prepared with all the necessary things inside like a pair of clothing, medical kit, easy cook foods, and the like..
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: yaris on September 29, 2009, 08:01:25 am
Dapat maging nice ka sa lahat. Kahit galit na galit ka na gusto mo na silang patayin dapat cool ka lang and wag mong ipahalata kasi di mo alam kung kelan mo kelangan tulong nila. Di ba may saying na..

sometimes the people you expect to kick you
when you're down, will be the ones to help you get back up

Nabasa ko lang yan sa bulletin post ng friend ko pero cool talaga!

With that quote, baka isipin ng iba na okay lang magalit kasi patatawarin ka rin naman pero iba pa rin pag talagang .. basta mahirap i-explain. Yun na yun! :)
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: beautifuldreamer on September 29, 2009, 09:05:41 am
huwag puros pag papaganda oh pagpapa metro guapo ang atupagin....bigyan din pansin ang dadaluyan ng tubig pag umulan.....

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: babywaby on September 29, 2009, 09:58:21 am
-have at least an inflatable boat ready when theres typhoon
-have flashlights and candles
-have extra battery packs for cellphones
-have first aid kit loaded
-have a bag loaded with clothes & medicine ready anytime of emergency
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: aoshi_01 on September 29, 2009, 12:04:33 pm
thank god hindi naman kami inabot ng baha (and for the first time, I appreciated the fact that my dad decided to establish our home in Antipolo...although nakakatakot rin kasi wala ngang baha, landslide naman ang kalaban mo :) ).

what i learned from this storm is:

- always CHECK your flashlights (nung nawalan ng kuryente I was in the middle of taking a bath and nung nahanap ko ang flashlight ko, wala namang battery, ngek ngek)

- have spare matches and candles at home

- have spare cellphone batteries

- make sure that all the important documents are placed in one of those document organizers para just in case you need to flee your home, yun agad ang damputin


Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: antipatica_02 on September 29, 2009, 01:26:35 pm
dapat me 2nd floor or third floor ang bahay..
Ready lagi lalo na pag me palapit na typhon   :)
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: blackgreen on September 29, 2009, 01:53:15 pm
dapat hindi rug ang gamit sa sahig. nung pinasok ng tubig baha ang bahay namin, after magsubside ng baha binaklas lahat ng rug sa sala

dapat lahat ng alaga naming aso merong kulungan or kahit elevated na mahihigaan, kasi nung bumaha sa amin lahat ng tao nasa 2nd floor, pero yun isa naming aso na walang kulungan eh nakatayo lang dun sa may sahig, pinaupo na lang siya sa monoblock
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: sofiacutie on September 29, 2009, 06:32:43 pm
kapag bumabagyo, iexpect ang baha sa manila, at wag ng pumunta sa lugar na yun, kundi maglalakad ka 4hours sa ulan!
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: jookeulae on September 29, 2009, 06:45:51 pm
mas magiging mabait na ako sa mga kapitbahay namin, kasi sila din ang tutulong sayo pag kailangan nang magbuhat ng gamit dahil sa baha.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: -happycamper- on September 29, 2009, 08:19:03 pm
Buy a house that is not prone to floods/flush-floods.
Build an elavated house (mga at least 3-4 steps pa before sa actual entrance ng house)
Dapat may second or Third floor ang bahay
Have a complete emergency kit.
Have falsh light or candle na accessible
Important Documents dapat nasa waterproof na lalagyan.
Family Photos dapat nasa mataas na lugar.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: maddie_girl on September 29, 2009, 08:44:42 pm
have a disaster plan ready. kung saan magevacuate kung kailangan. what to do in case of fire, flood, strong winds etc. dapat may plan for every worst case scenario. who is responsible for what. mga ganun.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: twelvth_goddess on September 30, 2009, 03:52:30 am
One thing that my neighbors and other people did was underestimate the rain.

We've been in our village for many years already but our neighbors have been there long before us and they attested to the fact that the flood had never risen higher than how it usually was. So, in the midst of the rain, they just left their things where it were. My mom naman is very paranoid and she said that the water would surely rise so we started moving our things up on the second floor. By 1pm, the first floor of our house was submerged in water.

I know a lot of us were taken by surprise and we could only do so much. But im very thankful that we didnt underestimate the rain dahil we were able to save almost all the we needed (except for some cabinets and our car :( )

Like what they say, it's good to be paranoid sometimes, at least you're on the safe side.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ebosh on September 30, 2009, 04:18:04 am
What I learned is that kahit mayaman or mahirap it doesn't mean you're always safe and should not be alarmed by whatever happens to your surroundings. Each one of us should make a move to always secure that we are doing the right thing not only to our fellowmen but also to the environment.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: twelvth_goddess on September 30, 2009, 04:23:22 am
^^correct..and though nobody wanted this to happen naman, proper garbage disposal is really very important cus this is a major contributor of flood.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: purple_bear_hugs on September 30, 2009, 04:53:55 am
^ sis i totally agree w/you...proper garbage disposal,efficient drainage system,and tighter laws against illegal logging,chopping down of trees to prevent soil erosion,flashfloods...on being prepared for future calamities,maybe stock up on the essentials like canned goods,flashlights,candles,battery-operated radio,for late updates in case of brownouts...despite the recent calamity mabuhay ang mga pinoy! help,support and prayers continue to pour from all over the country and from pinoys abroad!
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: freeswan on September 30, 2009, 06:57:28 am
just also want to share about my future MIL. their house in QC was mababab. aside from being mababa, yung mismong house nila pababa pa. sabi niya, when they transferred there and noticed that the drainage system was not good, sabi niya, mahirap daw iasa sa gobyerno ang ganyan. she made the initiative to fix the drainage system in her area lang because that's what she can only afford. pinagipunan daw nila talaga yun. kaya nung weekend, while everyone's things were floating, yung bahay nila ligtas. I was scheduled to have my gown fitting last weekend  sa house nila and kinabahan ako baka d matuloy kasi baka binaha sila. surprisingly, hindi. kaya tuloy ang fitting. kahit si ate mayette(modista) was surprised to see malinis ang bahay.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: autumn_lal on September 30, 2009, 05:35:45 pm
Every time na mag tatapon ako ng something sa kalsada, i will always think what just happened recently and hopefully maka contribute sa kalinisan ng kapaligiran natin.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: aquacharly on October 01, 2009, 02:57:21 pm
I read in the diarios this AM of this family of 5 kids (1 kid with inlaws) + the mother and the husband's mother (husband was out "barking" for jeepneys) --- who all died inside their house. 

Ang sabi eh hindi daw siguro nakayanan na buksan ang pinto against the rushing flood waters, so hindi na naka labas to try to swim to safety.

There was also this poignant story of a woman who, when she returned to her totally wrecked house, saw all their possessions caked in mud.  But the tv was still there.  The 2nd time she returned, she said the tv set was no longer there.

So, as pointed out by FREESWAN & TWELFTH_GODDESS -- do not underestimate flood waters.   What happened in the past may not hold in the present.

So, plan now which stuff must go up to your 2nd floor or higher, once rains fall hard. 
And then, plan to leave early.. hwag nang antayin umabot sa tuhod ang water, basta ga-ankle na at pumasok na sa bahay ang flood waters; and lalo na if you are near a river/creek or your village has a history of flooding -- go!   
... BUT also, plan how you will securely lock up your house.   Mga looters, with so many sites to choose from, may leave your things untouched if you make it hard for them to get in.

As for the Congressmen, etc. etc.... perhaps we can petition them to enact a new law harshly penalizing looters, and their ilk who prey off people during times of misfortune?
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: smoothie on October 01, 2009, 05:30:11 pm
^naku, asa pa tayo sa government & if ever may law na tungkol dyan i don't think may mangyayari.

masakit man sabihin pero dapat sariling diskarte na lang kung paano tayo mag-susurvive sa mga ganitong calamities.


like sis freeswan, yung father-in-law ko rin nung naghahanap ng bahay dati ang unang una na tinitignan niya is kung babahain yung place. based kasi sa experience niya ito kasi nakatira sila dati sa talayan village. super baha doon sa area na iyon. kaya itong bagyo, wala siyang prinoproblema dahil alam niyang hindi babahain yung house. totoo nga. hindi nga kami binaha dito.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: autumn_lal on October 01, 2009, 05:40:57 pm
^couldn't agree more with you sis.

Kawawa naman ang bansa natin.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: qt_ben17 on October 01, 2009, 06:13:43 pm
^^ my friend's cousins live in talayan, qc..  super flooded din sila. i never thought na mababa pala ang area nila since once pa lang ako nakapunta dun..

sabi nga ni palafox,  either pataasan mo ng 17 meters yung building or lumipat sa mataas na lugar.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: smoothie on October 01, 2009, 07:49:00 pm
^kwento ni hubby, talagang binabaha yung place dun eversince. pero itong bagyo nga sobrang taas ng baha. iyong mga bahay dun matataas kasi talagang bahain. kaso feng shui wise, "swerte" daw yung lugar na yun.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: blooming on October 01, 2009, 08:24:07 pm

So, plan now which stuff must go up to your 2nd floor or higher, once rains fall hard. 

... BUT also, plan how you will securely lock up your house.   Mga looters, with so many sites to choose from, may leave your things untouched if you make it hard for them to get in.


Kapag may fire or flood na ganyan, always flee na agad.  Bilinan lahat ng tao sa house. Life is the most precious thing they have to save. 

So instruction sa maid at sa mga bata, lock the door, dont look back and go. Mga gamit at damit, mapapalitan. Pero buhay hindi.

Thirdly, I cannot emphasize enough the importance of insurance.  Puedeng makatipid ka by not paying the premium, pero if something like this happens na sobrang laki ng damage, hindi ka naman mag-aalala.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: blooming on October 01, 2009, 08:25:52 pm
^couldn't agree more with you sis.

Kawawa naman ang bansa natin.

sobrang kaawa awa talaga.  Ginago ka nanga, wala pang konsyensya para tumulong!  Sino ang mga nagrescue? mga volunteers are US marines!  SIno ang mga nagd donate? Mga private citizens parin! mga bwiset, ang kakapal ng mukha. 

Anyway, kaya nasa sa atin din kung gusto natin maging kaawa awa din. 
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on October 02, 2009, 04:19:18 am
yung mga countries nga na pinagtatawanan natin noon, sila nagdodonate sa atin ngayon.

anyway, maganda tong article na eto. may study pala noong 70s, funded by the world bank. may mga certain areas na hindi dapat gawing residential areas. pero all the presidents since Marcos, ignored the recommendation. http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=510301&publicationSubCategoryId=66
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: insomniac on October 02, 2009, 08:38:15 am
Its high time that we take mother nature seriously. Let us all be responsible not to throw our garbage anywhere. Practice proper waste disposal should be taught in school, not just the basic bi-non biodegradable labels.
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Post by: jeck43 on October 02, 2009, 03:08:43 pm
Ako bibili me ng lifesaver, kung kaya ko ang presyo ng rubberboat bibili ako, bibili rin me ng salbabida at [textspeak!] pangbombang maganda as in [textspeak!] mabilisan.  Nasa plan na rin [textspeak!] 3rd floor with rooftop. Dapat naka-store sa cellphone ko [textspeak!] mga help hotlines like NDCC, PNP, Red Cross, GMA and ABS-CBN.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: qt_ben17 on October 02, 2009, 04:18:53 pm
wala talaga tayong maasahan sa gobyerno. nabasa ko nga eh, ginamit ni Gloria yung 800M mula sa 2B calamity fund. kaya ayan, wala na siyang maipamudmod sa mga nangangailangan.

at asan na ba ang mga laging nagmamabidang mga congresista, senador, at presidentiables? 
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: jamie_0117 on October 02, 2009, 04:20:14 pm
it's also worth considering to live in the place where the city mayor lives in. seriously. maayos ang drainage system, lighting, garbage collection, security, everything.
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Post by: nadialicious16 on October 02, 2009, 05:17:31 pm
^sis ganyan sa amin dito sa makati mayor binay did all his best sa mga proyektong kapaki pakinabang.like last year lang inayos ang drainage.never binaha ang lugar namin,ngayon lang talaga hindi kami pinaligtas.ang hirap rin,kasi di mo na masabi ang panahon since mahirap madisiplina ang mga tao.ang natutunan na lang namin mag-asawa,since wala namang pakialam sa atin ang gobyerno tayo na lang gumawa ng paraan in times like this,be prepared.kasi kung sasandal pa tayo sa mga hinayupak na yan walang mangyayari.god bless us all.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: aquacharly on October 02, 2009, 05:36:23 pm
Naku, kaninang 3PM pina akyat ko na what was on the bottom 4 feet of my bodega, from my basement level to the ground floor. 

Sabi ko kay hubby, better safe than sorry and those things will not go back down until the typhoon after Pepeng is gone.

Kesyo may pumps, etc.  Ah basta, sabi ko it is better to have it brought up now than to have the help later on wash the big plastic bins and contents (kung mapasukan pa ng water).

Parang feeling under seige ako ah.  Hindi naman bahain talaga in our village... but last weekend, 18" of water from the gardens entered my basement level. 
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Post by: Purple_Power on October 02, 2009, 09:00:02 pm
If I am only rich naisip ko na magdonate for the flood control rito lang sa amin of course dahil yun ang kaya ko. Pademolish ang mga squatters sa tabi ng creek but of course gagawa muna ako ng lilipatan nila. That is only wishful thinking.  ;D

Pero ito ang bagay na at least matutupad na dahil parati kaming binabaha rito sa house ever since.

-Yung isang bahay na lilipatan namin tinaasan na namin ang sahig at dalawa na ang banyo, kasi yung dito sa dating bahay isa lang ang banyo and yet ang masaklap yung binabaha pa.

Mga natutunan ko rin

- Maghanda ng batteries for flashlights and radio
- Huwag titira sa lugar o hahanap ng bahay saa bahain o dinaanan ng matinding baha dahil malaki pa rin ang possibility na balang araw babalik rin ito sa kung saan ito nasalanta just like Cainta Rizal, Marikina (if I am rich honestly speaking I won't buy a house at Provident village), Pasig, Malabon, at sa iba pang mga malalapit sa ilog.
-Huwag rin titira sa ibaba ng bundok kung saan may malaking possibility na pwedeng magkaroon ng landslide.
-If possible na magkaroon ng speedboat, jetski, lifejacket at iba pang pangkaligtasan na mga gamit
-Kapag mayaman ako gagawin ko na yung 2nd floor na bahay ay yun ang magiging sala tapos yung ground ay para sa garahe na lang. Other than that gagawin ko pang hanggang 5th floor tapos hangga't maaari lahat yun may banyo. Tapos may lagayan rin ng mga gamit na pang evacuate. Pwede ring extra kwarto para sa mga kamag anak na nasalanta at pwedeng tulungan.
-Pasesemento ang compound namin para hindi na mabaha.

Pag may naisip akong dagdag eedit ko na lang.  ;)
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Post by: kutingpie on October 05, 2009, 03:07:29 pm
-kailangan ng second floor
-iplastic container na ang mga bagay, lalo na kapag may ground floor, para kapag umaakyat na ang baha, madali maghakot.
-wooded floors are out, magtiles na lang.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: chinkywinky on October 05, 2009, 07:07:42 pm
I've learned na ang bilis mawala ng buhay. At lahat ng tao equal sa panahon ng kalamidad. At lahat pwedeng tumulong sa mga affected in our little ways.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ettevyvi on October 07, 2009, 12:24:47 am
We were not that affected, I mean in my place but our city is. I've come to realize that:

GLOBAL WARMING is a serious business so I would do everything to prevent it, like removing the plugs of the appliances when not in use.

Throw my garbage properly (read:SORTING)

Be prepared in any signal of typhoon, be it 1 2 or 3. Even simple rains sometimes bring cats and dogs.

If I will own a house someday, I'll make sure it's not in Manila.:p And, may second floor. Plus not near bays rivers wherever and there's good flood control.

Stock up on foods, emergency lights, life vests.

PRAY. Nothing beats prayer talaga.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: wookies on October 09, 2009, 04:01:46 pm
thank God wala naman nangyari sa amin at di kami inabot ng baha. dapat talaga ready tayo palagi.

lessons learned:
- magstock ng food and water
- have flashlights, candles, rechargeable lamp, battery-operated radio
- have a waterproof bag na pwede ilagay ang mga gamit na kakailanganin like clothes, medicines, first aid kit, important documents para may mangyari man, dadamputin na lang yong bag.
- buy a salbabida and life vest jackets para sigurado
- have extra batteries for cellphones
- have a 2nd floor and roof top na comfortable pa din sa family para may mangyari man, pwede pa din magstay sa house at safe pa din.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ~TiCkLeS~ on October 09, 2009, 04:16:51 pm
be prepared, be cautious, think of safety first, be alert and aware of what's happening around you......most specially let's take care of our environment....
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ladyhushtilla on October 09, 2009, 06:53:38 pm
lesson learned:
wag na magtapon nang basura kung saan saan.
patronize earth-friendly products.

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Post by: tiggerlily on October 10, 2009, 11:29:47 am
i have emergency preparedness sa bahay. ang hindi ko naayos e yung mga pictures. kaya nabasa halos lahat. buti na lang nasave ang wedding album namin ni hubby.
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Post by: elly free on October 11, 2009, 06:43:54 am
Guys, what have you learned from the recent floodings?  on a individual level. yung tipong,

example A - I'll buy a small generator
example B - I'll build and elevated platform on my huge backyard so i can put my car there the next time it rains.
example C - I'll relocate to a place na mataas.
example D - I'll will put 2 big water tanks kasi  nawalan kami ng water.

and please don't put,

"oh we need to take care of the trees."
"we need to do garbage segregation"
"kasi its climate change/global warming"
"throw garbage correctly

I know the above things are true but it will take decades to take effect considering our system.

I'm looking for real, practical answers that we can apply should something happen again, knock on wood. we all know that our government is poor and that we have no real drainage/sewer/flood system.

thanks in advance.  ;D

it is funny and somehow strange that you discarded the answers people and i should be reminded of every time catastrophe happens. the disasters are a living symbols that there's something putrid in the system. and you want to ignore them?
it doesn't matter if you prefer to live in a two-or three-storey house, or you have a generator or a water tank, these things can easily be destroyed. what you want are temporary answers that lead to nowhere. they won't hold for decades. it is like you are saying "andyan na so pabayaan na lang," right?

so what did we learn? people should stop being greedy, nothing can beat if we know how to prepare, be a responsible person.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: jhbsnoopy on October 15, 2009, 08:57:01 pm
learn how to take care of our enviroment,start with the proper disposal of your waste/garbage even just a simple candy wrapper.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: Sookie on October 16, 2009, 07:20:02 pm
We should take a good care of our sanitary and drainage system.
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Post by: rnd0910 on October 16, 2009, 07:59:17 pm
Aside from we should be prepared to this kind of situation;

I have learned that nothing is permanent in this world. That anytime, anything can happen. And everything that we have will not be there in a snap.

Life is more important than any material things. What matters most is that we are still alive and together.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: rheagirl on October 16, 2009, 11:41:39 pm
na dapat wag na talaga magtapon ng mga basura sa mga ilog or drainage everysingle one of us must be very responsible for this hindi lang ang government.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: qt_ben17 on October 18, 2009, 03:08:54 pm
it is funny and somehow strange that you discarded the answers people and i should be reminded of every time catastrophe happens. the disasters are a living symbols that there's something putrid in the system. and you want to ignore them?
it doesn't matter if you prefer to live in a two-or three-storey house, or you have a generator or a water tank, these things can easily be destroyed. what you want are temporary answers that lead to nowhere. they won't hold for decades. it is like you are saying "andyan na so pabayaan na lang," right?

so what did we learn? people should stop being greedy, nothing can beat if we know how to prepare, be a responsible person.

i agree with you sis. small things do count, as they say.

even if we build 2,5 or 10-storey buildings  or have houses on high stilts, who knows how fierce the nature can be ? what we have for now is truly a sign of our times of what we'll be in the future.

for  me, my contribution would be is the proper disposal of garbage. di na ko nagtatapon ng mga candy wrappers/bottled water sa kalye. nilalagay ko na siya sa bag ko and isasama ko siya sa basura namin sa bahay.


Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: choleb on November 06, 2009, 02:38:04 pm
Be always prepared...
Title: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: kettlekorn28 on November 06, 2009, 03:08:19 pm
Always be prepared. Dapat laging may stock na food, water at medicine. May mga small luggages din kami na may clothes at important documents para in case may flood at mag-evacuate kami, di kami magpanick sa paghagilap ng mga dapat dalhin. Repair lahat ng dapat i-repair sa bahay like bubong at alulod.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: justbeingme on November 06, 2009, 05:39:49 pm
Do not stock unnecessary stuff.  Learn to let go of not so important things so they don't end up floating during the flood.  Some oldies kasi nanghihinayang magtapon, magpamigay or magdonate ng gamit so you end up having too much of one thing at home.  I mean how many tupperwares or garapons or kalderos does one family need di ba.  My friend's family had a hard time moving around the house during the flood because dami nila gamit na nagflofloat e tatlo lang naman sila sa bahay.  Then clean-up after the flood took longer than necessary of course sa dami ng gamit.
Am guilty of having too many clothes even clothes which are 10yrs old na.  I figured if I'm not using them for several yrs na chances are I will never be using them again so might as well give them away. Kung nabasa sya nung flood lalong walang nakinabang sa clothes.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: simplysweet on November 07, 2009, 04:25:41 pm
Take/buy stuff that's important. Be prepared for whatever happens, good or bad. Be disciplined enough to throw trash away properly (sad, I still see this a lot...many people don't think of the long-term effect). Don't wait for something bad to happen before you act.

And if you can, help out others by sharing your blessings. What is unnecessary to you may be treasure to another.

And one realization: most of the people who needed help during the floods were the same people who needed help even before Ondoy/Pepeng. Sad we only realize the situation afterward, and not before.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: majal on November 08, 2009, 10:39:51 pm
Pagpapakumbaba
Respect for nature
Learn how to swim
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: crismarq on November 09, 2009, 09:16:36 am
justbeingme:  what you said is so true.  ganyan din nangyari sa amin.  daming tinapon na gamit.  now i find it absurd na pati mga plastic container ng ice cream atbp eh kinokolekta ko.  ngayon ang mga kaplastikan eh derecho na sa lalagyan na recycleable.  pag marami rami na sila eh nilalabas ko na para makolekta ng basurero.  same with the clothes.  my teenage daughter daming nailabas na damit from her closet.  ido donate na namin mga extra clothes.  at least now maluwang na closet nya  :)
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: beverlyjane on November 11, 2009, 10:49:30 am
dapat siguro konti lang [textspeak!] gamit sa 1st floor para kung sakali pumasok ulit sa amin [textspeak!] baha konti na lang [textspeak!] gamit na kailangan ipanik  ::)
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ayee1927 on November 15, 2009, 10:30:58 am
try to do simple things na may i-cocontribute sa environment....ex. pag bumili ka ng 1 or 2 items lang sa convenience store e pwede wag mo ng iplastic p. ilagay mo na lang sa bag.

be ready & don't panic...kailangan may presence of mind lagi.

dapat matuto na mag-swim, and lastly........

never lose trust in God Because may dahilan ang lahat!

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Post by: tiggerlily on November 16, 2009, 03:14:00 am
express your love to your family everyday. hug and kiss them and say you love them as much as you can. life is short. there can never be too much hugging or kissing or saying i love you's in a lifetime.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: kikayforever on November 23, 2009, 06:26:38 pm
love ourselves and appreciate all these naturals wonders around us and protect them from further damages, help restore and mantain our mother earth. These must be part of the curriculum on how we could contribute in preserving the environment.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: simply_elegant on December 01, 2009, 12:54:57 pm
lahat pantay pantay pag dating sa baha...
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Post by: joannarabara on December 06, 2009, 08:49:51 pm
true pantay pantay talaga tayo sa mata ng Diyos.
ask ko lang if may thread ba regarding sa mga nasira na cars, kung ano ba dapat gawin etc?
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: twinkletown on December 21, 2009, 11:13:58 pm
what ive learned is that to be contented on what we have right now and be thankful for them. it is ok to dream, pero wag na yung sobra sobra.

very applicable yung song na live like we are dying by kris allen. na to live each day of our lives as our last, and lets always tell to the people who matters to us that we love them.
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Post by: summersong on December 23, 2009, 03:29:42 am
In this age of laptops, media players, cellphones, and wireless connectivity, natalo silang lahat ng hamak na transistor radio nung bumaha.  ;) Lahat ng gadgets na-drain na ang baterya, but given you've a couple extra AA's, the transistor can keep you updated and connected to the outside world for days when you're stranded in the middle of a flooded area.

Just buy only what you need, and dispose of things that you don't use. Don't get too attached to what you have. If you're not using stuff that's still perfectly usable, give it to someone who really needs it. Mas maganda namang may makagamit, kesa maimbak sa bahay. Added clutter na, pest breeding ground pa, nawalan pa ng silbi lalo't kapag nadamay sa kalamidad tulad ng baha. Dagdag hirap pa sa paglilinis.

Build a second or third floor, with a rooftop terrace. With a water tank. Lifevests. A rubber boat. Other emergency staples.

It pays to have good quality hardwood furniture. Lulutang lang sila, pero hindi tuluyang masisira unlike those made of plywood. Bumilib ako sa mga sinaunang narra and teak furniture namin.

Keep your master set of housekeys updated and organized. And keep it where you can easily find and reach it. Sa ganoong klase ng baha, kung kailangang lumikas, then you will literally be able to lock all doors when you leave to prevent theft. At makakapasok kayo ulit sa bahay ng walang problema.  ;D
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: greyish on December 23, 2009, 03:03:17 pm
always be ready...expect the unexpected...

most of all, si lord pa din ang masusunod sa mga bagay bagay.....and be thankful... all of us who survived
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: rheagirl on May 23, 2010, 01:22:37 pm
isang buwan nalang tag-ulan na na naman sana umpisahan na nila ang paglinis ng mga estero at ilog wag na nila hintayin ang bagyo for may extreme rain fall na na naman due to extreme heat!
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: sylvester_jmc on August 13, 2010, 12:42:02 pm
Ako pakiusap ko sa magulang ko eh lumipat na sila ng bahay at siguraduhing may second floor. At ang baha sa amin eh malapit na sa bubong ng bahay naka elevate pa yung bahay namin kahit bungalow lang. tsk tsk tsk. kaka trauma talaga! :(
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Post by: u8mypinkcookies on September 26, 2010, 01:57:08 pm
it's been exactly a year since Ondoy happened... we'll sana natuto na mga Pinoy...
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Post by: cindylulu on September 29, 2011, 03:20:40 pm
i will buy a transistor radio. stock up on water and food. learned this the hard way when last tues we were stuck at our condo which is near manila bay. be a girl scout - figuratively speaking.  :)
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Post by: Purple_Power on September 29, 2011, 03:23:22 pm
In the morning we should put water on bath tub, para pag nagkabrownout dun na kami kukuha ng panligo.
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Post by: seescandy on September 29, 2011, 05:11:41 pm
should definitely invest on a small generator. enough to power the ref and lights. i can do away with not having the airconditioner but not having lights is definitely a challenge. as for the ref, just to prevent the food from spoiling like it did during the last typhoon.
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Post by: tiggerlily on September 30, 2011, 07:08:40 pm
^you can avoid the spoiling the food in your fridge/freezer by filling up your freezer to almost full. mas matagal sila madefrost kung isang malaking yelo sila. you can fill it with either food or ice. then as much as possible avoid opening it habang wala pang power. makakatulong rin if you have an inventory list of what's inside posted sa ref para di na bukas ng bukas ng pinto. maiisip mo na ang dapat mong kunin sa loob bago mo pa buksan.
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Post by: bleudskymd on September 30, 2011, 09:14:51 pm
be always prepared, vigilant..
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Post by: jennyg on October 01, 2011, 06:52:16 am
I will buy some flashlights, batteries and candle to use in these times of calamities
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Post by: smoothie on October 01, 2011, 09:45:14 am
when buying a house...it is important to check the location if it floods easily or not. if you are located in a low lying area, better make your house higher to avoid the flood going inside your house.
buy the necesseties. like flashlights, instant food, etc.

nung ondoy, since we cannot cook kasi yung stove nasa labas, we ate mooncake :) hehe
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Post by: mdanica07 on December 26, 2011, 06:30:14 pm

May inflatable na kming mini boat sa rooftop namin with Radio & batteries  ;D
Be ready at all times.
Better safe than sorry.
Do hope TOTAL LOG BAN is implemented forcefully by the Goverment.  >:(
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: iandboy on December 28, 2011, 05:29:14 am
-for me, impractical sakin ang magpatayo pa ng 2nd or 3rd floor dahil 2 lang kame dito sa haws aalog alog na kami nun.  kelangan ko ng life jackets at... mini boat!!!

san nakakabili ng mini boat?? :D

we should always wear life jackets........
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ravena on August 07, 2012, 04:55:12 pm
none. nakakatawa, lalo na yung ginawa sa roxas boulevard. sus, maryosep. mga pinagloloko tayo.
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Post by: twelve5 on August 07, 2012, 05:28:07 pm
Eto sabi ng handyman ko dati - yung mga power outlets, normally mababa sya diba. Sa mga recent houses daw na ginagawa nila na nasa low lying areas, parang nasa 4ft ang height ng power outlets sa wall.

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Post by: tiggerlily on August 08, 2012, 03:06:17 am
^that's a nice idea nga.

i think natuto na ang mga kababayan natin. kapag pinapalikas sila, lumilikas na sila. kaya rin di na kasingtindi ng ondoy ang casualties ngayon.

ang gusto ko matuto ay ang government natin. yung mga creeks, informal settlers at waste management. kulang kasi sa pangil e at palaging may catch. kung maitutuwid lang sana talaga madali lang sana iwasan ang mga ganito.
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Post by: jan888 on August 08, 2012, 09:43:42 am
least we can do is to throw our trash in the garbage..  recycle as much as we can..
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Post by: akthung on August 08, 2012, 11:45:45 am


"Ang bagyo parang LOVE. Mahirap i-predict kahit may PAGASA."
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Post by: aranses on August 08, 2012, 01:08:02 pm
sana pag magrelease sila ng tubig sa dam wag naman hintayin pa mapuno ng ulan! magrelease sila bago dumating mga bagyo at ulan para di ganito ka-disaster mangyari.. di na natuto sa ondoy!
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Post by: cindylulu on August 08, 2012, 05:38:30 pm
none. nakakatawa, lalo na yung ginawa sa roxas boulevard. sus, maryosep. mga pinagloloko tayo.

true sis. mas gusto ng taga dpwh makuha ang cut nila kaagad sa contractor without analyzing the effect kung seawall lang ang irerepair. they should have known all along that the 2 breakwaters should have been rehabilitated to prevent rogue waves from going over the seawall sa baywalk. they're engineers - structural pa naman ang iba dyan for pete's sake! kaya nga tinatawag na 'break water' e. baka gusto pa nila iphotoshop pictures nila sa breakwater! 
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: u8mypinkcookies on August 11, 2012, 08:54:46 pm
sa nangyari last week, obviously walang nabago.. same problems pa rin kaya dami na naman binaha at na-apektuhan nung habagat..
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on August 11, 2012, 10:32:53 pm
true sis. mas gusto ng taga dpwh makuha ang cut nila kaagad sa contractor without analyzing the effect kung seawall lang ang irerepair. they should have known all along that the 2 breakwaters should have been rehabilitated to prevent rogue waves from going over the seawall sa baywalk. they're engineers - structural pa naman ang iba dyan for pete's sake! kaya nga tinatawag na 'break water' e. baka gusto pa nila iphotoshop pictures nila sa breakwater! 

eh alam niyo naman practice sa pinas. sa proposal maganda...pasado. sa budget pasado. tapos yung pera eh ibibili ng sub standard na materyales.  para yung difference, ibubulsa.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: chez on August 11, 2012, 10:43:38 pm
Proper garbage disposal, exceptional urban planning, learn the art of recycling to reduce waste....and if advised to evacuate , to please do so early so that we won't risk the lives of the rescuers  in rescuing those matting as an ulo na mga tao
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: tiggerlily on August 12, 2012, 12:40:25 am
palagay ko naman e natuto na yung iba. kasi mas mabilis na mag-evacuate ang mga tao sa marikina ngayon. sa ibang lugar na lang ang hindi.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: badcoverversion on August 14, 2012, 11:41:34 am
sana pag magrelease sila ng tubig sa dam wag naman hintayin pa mapuno ng ulan! magrelease sila bago dumating mga bagyo at ulan para di ganito ka-disaster mangyari.. di na natuto sa ondoy!
That happened during Pepeng.  Nagpakawala sila, tuloy bumaha sa mga areas na di naman inulan (Bulacan, etc.). Tapos di naman tumama sa NCR and lumihis yung bagyo sa North (Baguio, Pangasinan kung maaalala ko). Pre-emptive water release is also not good.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: SethLorenzo on August 15, 2012, 09:24:28 am
a. Yung ref namin inabot ng baha, pagkadating ko sa bahay, lumulutang na ang sofa namin  :-[
    Kaya ang ginawa ko, kumuha ako ng 4 hollow blocks tas pinatong ko ang ref,  2 hollowblocks naman     
    para sa washing machine, 2 hollowblocks para sa tangke ng gas. Ang naiisip ko bibili pa ko ng 10   
    hollowblocks para hindi na ko masyadong lalangoy sa bahay namin pag binaha ulit  :P
b. Bibili ako ng maraming tinapay, saka palaman.
c. Bibili ako ng themos na de kuryente para kung gusto ko ng instant noodles
d. Bibili ako ng waterproof case para sa cellphone ko
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ElegantSis on August 26, 2012, 02:13:58 pm
we should be prepared. that's all.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: pomegranate on August 27, 2012, 08:45:15 am
Pre-emptive water release is also not good.

Agree.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: cindylulu on August 30, 2012, 10:05:39 am
don't wade in the water. wear rain boots. be aware of the disease leptospirosis.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: ElegantSis on August 31, 2012, 11:03:54 am
1. Disasters happen to the wealthy and the poor.

2. Prepare first.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: SassyAngelOnTheGo on August 31, 2012, 11:08:23 am
I'll stock coffee, rice, canned goods and instant noodles,  during floods. Naranasan namin kasi na nagkaubusan ng food sa palengke at convenience store.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: summersong on August 31, 2012, 05:55:03 pm
The most imporant thing to stock up on is potable water. It's a horror to see on the news people using floodwater for cooking and washing dishes.  :o

If you're planning to stock up on canned goods, don't forget the can opener. And if you got electronics like transistors and flashlights, don't forget the batteries.  ;)
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: crayzee on September 12, 2012, 12:08:33 pm
I guess hindi padin natuto after ng ondoy.. tumama na yung habagat, wala padin masyadong pagbabago.. tulad nung sept. 10 2012 biglang ulan ng malakas, marami nanaman binaha..

kelan matututo ang mga tao dito sa pinas na ang bansa natin ay hind isang malaking basurahan para kahit saan na lang mag tatapon ng papel, balat ng candy.. stick.. at iba iba pa...

lalo na sa mga nakatira sa tabi ng mga canal.. wag niyo itapon ang basura niyo... tapos sila pa magagalit na walang action ang gov't kaya binabaha...
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: mhy_pie03 on October 03, 2012, 04:57:00 pm
Wag bumili ng mga gamit na hindi naman kakailanganin. Gamitin ang mga bagay na binibili. Huwag ipangdisplay lamang. Ilagay sa bangko ang pera. Huwag ikalat ang pera kung saan saan. Punitin at itapon ang mga dokumentong hindi naman na kakakailanganin. Ipamigay ang mga damit na hindi naman na naisusuot. Panghuli, huwag ng gaanong maglagay ng gamit sa baba kung alam mong makailang beses na itong inaabot ng baha. Mga munting paalala galing sa isang taong minsang na-ondoy at na-habagat.  8)
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: iammaria on October 19, 2012, 03:26:37 pm
actually hindi ko alam kung kelan matututo ang mga tao, lalo na ang mga illegal settlers beside the creek. sila yung affected ng flood pero tapon padin sila ng tapon ng basura sa creek. mga tao na nag yoyosi, kung saan saan lang nila tinatapon mga basura, public drivers ganun din

and may I remind this to all, na hindi alternativa ang paper bag for grocery or shopping, makakalbo lang lalo ang mga forest natin.. lalong babahain tayo. use eco friendly bag NOT PLASTIC AND NOT PAPER BAG
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: hedera on August 20, 2013, 09:25:07 pm
1. To always have food, water, and toiletries stocks!
2. Not to take for granted mga sunny days to do laundry, or go to the bank, or go grocery shopping
3. Must have lifevest jacket and whistle as part of "emergency bag" :)
4. Grateful for condo living...not just flood free but also may generator :)
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on August 20, 2013, 09:30:57 pm
invest in a whistle na kahit nalubob sa tubig, gagana pa din at malakas (mataas ang decibel)
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: hershey on August 20, 2013, 09:50:27 pm

"Ang bagyo parang LOVE. Mahirap i-predict kahit may PAGASA."
Cute



1.laging maging handa - itabi ang mga gamit.itaas sa mga lugar n di pede abutin
2. Maging alerto
3.magevacuate
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: queen_sickle on August 21, 2013, 08:43:18 am
pag may work, wag na tumuloy at sumugod sa baha at baka ma stuck ka lang sa work.

at wise nga mag store ng enough food if my bagyo parating
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on August 21, 2013, 09:01:24 am
kailangan din may Bug Out Bag ang mga tao.
this bag should have the bare essentials to help you
survive for a few days or up to the time you can reach your
temporary/permanent shelter which has the supplies you need.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: nettai on August 22, 2013, 09:50:33 am
http://www.quezon.ph/2013/08/21/understanding-flooding-and-flood-mitigation/

^ This one. If I just knew about this we wouldn't have bought a house in our area. =____=

Nothing we can do anymore unless we force all people (including myself LOL) to vacate the flood-prone areas; this is because of an UTTERLY POOR URBAN PLANNING during the past and present governments. The only thing we can do in our part is by not blocking our esteros by not throwing our trash anywhere as we wanted (especially on our esteros); this can at least minimize flood impact.

When will our government realize that they need to do measures to stop overcrowding in the Metro, logging in the mountains (whether legal or not), and start forest rehabilitation and enforce proper garbage disposal (and start proper garbage management)?

Since I live in a low-lying area, only things that I can do is:
1. Invest in high-quality wood furniture, airbeds (for floatation) and/or plastic cabinets that can withstand floods.
2. Buy a power bank with a high battery rating and ALWAYS keep it charged for around 40%. When an announcement that a storm will be coming is flashed, immediately charge phones to full, and turn off mobile data and keep the signal reception to GSM only when power outage breaks out.
3. Stock on Doxycycline 100ml, and have a doctor's contact in handy in case I have no choice but to wade on flooded waters (especially with a wound)
4. Always keep a spare LPG tank and potable water source.
5. Never to buy vehicles with a low body. (and to always keep car jacks and tough blocks handy)
6. Always have a soy sauce and vinegar on the cupboard; if it's already the second day of power outage and I feel that the power outage will still last for some days more, I'm going to start cooking adobo and paksiw to preserve my fish and meat.
7. I agree with bro akthung, have an insect repellant in handy, as well as a full first aid kit and a whistle + flashlight + candles + matches/lighters.
8. At least keep tough garbage bags handy to be able to store garbage properly for days. Jeebus, when will people learn to throw their garbage properly anyway?



EDIT/OT: Buti pa si Manolo Quezon, hindi tumakbo sa politics but he is still into public service (as an USec and consultant) and remained as a writer.

My hats off to you, Mr. Quezon.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on August 22, 2013, 10:09:30 am
lubog na din kasi ang Manila. and the esteros, well, imho, if puno na ang laguna lake and all the rivers that lead to it, ma pupush out lang ang water out to the streets. sana tinuloy na lang nila yung plan ni Macoy noon ( waterway from Laguna lake to the sea. )

problem kasi sa culture and politics, basta pag new president / administration, yung previous admin ay mabaho na. lahat ng ginawa ng previous admin ay mali. pero kung nag bunga, present admin takes the credit.

when macoy left, dami binasura ni Cory na projects.

the best way talaga imho is to build a new city. kahit may city planning pa yung city, may hangganan lang din yun. unless sobrang laki ng spaces above and below, spaces that can accommodate change. yun nga lang maraming legal battles naman yan. sa justice system ng pinas it will take years and maybe decades....pag may bagong city, for sure mag decongest ang manila.

problem is, hindi papayag ang oligarchs. KASI yung ilan sa kanila, yung mga kinatatayuan ng mga "centers of business" ay dating mga hacienda nila. in other words lupa pa din nila.

personal opinion ko, Macoy wanted to follow the structure of modern and developed countries, na ang power nasa gov't and not the oligarchs. these oligarchs are the ones that probably put him down. aside from the abuse of power by his minions.

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by the way,

there is this wonderful product called Lifestraw. super galing ng filtration properties niya. kahit tubig na brown, maiinom mo. this was originally designed for the people in africa. im not saying na you should drink from the flood water (although theoretically kaya). but if you have any other water source it will erase the fear or doubt of its potability. good to have eto for emergencies. i've tried this straw already and so did my uncle when i gave him one. it should cost 1500 pesos lang or lower. good to for 1000 liters.

they have a competitor naman named Ufilta. medyo mahal siya. but i like their water bottle model as it is very practical. nasa 3k+ pesos siya noon but they were put on sale at naging 1500 na. very good buy to. 

ako naman i've shipped a lot of lifestraws to pinas because i have prepper friends and mountaineering friends.

these filters are good ha. hollow membrane technology. its a step down from RO but way up than the normal filters.

here's a video of Ufilta. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BMkf2KVVdew

as for the lifestraw. sobrang daming videos sa  youtube.

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as for whistles. buy those for emergencies because they can reach 120+/- decibels and some can actually work after being submerged in water.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: nettai on August 22, 2013, 10:28:00 am
^ This just proves that the floods in Metro Manila is rooted also in politics and oligarchy. >_>

I don't have any right however to judge or praise Macoy since I was born on the late 80s. However, multiple testimonies from older people show that during his time, our area wasn't flood-prone.

Sa US nga way back di ba, when they see a monopoly, the government immediately files a suit to disperse the business. This happened in the East Asia Companies.

The only thing that MMDA, DPWH and Metro Manila LGUs were able to do now is to speed up drainage in the Metro, but as quoted from MLQ3's article:

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Governor Ejercito complained that the [Laguna de Bay] lake had become the “septic tank of Metro Manila” and said he and his people were looking for solutions for the overflowing of the lake...

I also cringed when Erap showed the plan to reclaim Manila Bay, and when I saw the plan to reclaim the Coastal Road even further. Good luck na lang sa Taft River, UST Lake, Las Pinas and Paranaque Seas, at Lawton Lake when the plan gets approved and is started.


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And as quoted from @HecklerForever:

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Maring and Habagat put the AGOS in AGOSto.

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EDIT:

Re: Lifestraw: Nakita ko nga yan sa NGC... Didn't know it's already commercially available. Makabili nga nyan before I get back to Indo... I wonder kung authentic yung mga nakapost sa Sulit. :O

Thanks for the additional tips ;D
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: akthung on September 17, 2013, 01:39:47 pm
check out the Ufilta Bottle. same kind of filter (hollow fibre) but with a bottle. so you can drink straight from the bottle. of course nothing beats stocking up on clean water. general rule for filters, the cleaner the source the better. but of course kung traveling ka, its good to have. a friend of mine traveled around europe and simply drank water from the tap using that filter.Conquer in Robinsons Pioneer sells them.

i think Macoy had a plan. he wanted to follow the template for first world countries na yung may mga industries na would be economically sound by being under the government, or at least by one provider. kaya pinagkukuha niya yung mga yun. the way i see it, personal opinion, kinalaban niya yung mga oligarchs noong araw. syempre, you become less credible when you become greedy and deluded. tapos hindi pa niya nacontrol ang mga tao niya. lalo na nung nagkasakit siya. for sure he made mistakes din.

nangyayari kasi sa sobrang gulo na ng politics, tapal system na lang. gawan ng paraan, aside from nakaw. dami sana nagawa kung hindi ninanakaw yung pera ng bayan.

Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: Leven on December 10, 2013, 10:00:36 am
I've seen 2-3 storey building or houses wrecked by typhoon yolanda...sabi ko sa hubby next time pag may advisory from pag asa na may typhoon kahit signal no. 3 pa yan..check in nalang kami sa hotel..hehe. life jacket, helmet ang dala namin..tapos tig isa kami ng sling bag na may laman na tubig,biscuits at saka ID...I even bought neon colors shirt for my kids..ito yung napag mitingan namin sa community namin and everyone agreed.
Title: Re: What have we learned from the recent floodings?
Post by: crayzee on July 31, 2014, 02:34:28 pm
one thing I learned in the most recent flooding, buy sedan car in the Philippines is a Big no no. if I have enough budget will definitely buy a bigger car.

here is a guide to see what car is best suitable for flood http://cheftonio.blogspot.com/2014/07/vehicle-ground-clearance-fording-wading-depth-comparison.html