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rianne_mallows

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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #60 on: September 08, 2012, 10:58:10 pm »
That's the problem nga eh since hindi specific yung bill

Siguro ispecify na lang sa contract yung cases na hindi sagot ng amo. Parang waiver na hindi liable amo sa mga injuries incured na wala naman kinalaman sa work

Ang problem, paano maidentify injuries and sckness wherein my accountability ang amo sa at kung kelan wala

Paano kung sipon? Ubo? Migrane? Lagnat?

We once had a maid na nagkaulcer kaka-diet. Sagot pa din ba ng amo yun?
Kung nagkataon salbahe si maid baka gimawa pa iyon ng kwento na ginugutom siya

Paano naman maprotektahan yung employers sa ganitong mga cases?
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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2012, 11:37:01 am »
sa totoo lang sumasakit ang ulo ko sa bill na to >:(

kasi parang puro pabor sa maid,,
oks lang kung mabait at okay yun maid eh paano kung tamad at pasaway? so dapat pa din ba bigyan ng  benefits?

let's face it na  oo nga madaming salbaheng amo pro madami din na abusadong maid...

sabi nga ng maid ko "oh ate  pasado na daw yun bill" :) kya sabi ko ah ganun ba sige sumunod tyo sa bill at bawasan na natin yan sahod mo! ;) sgot ni maid ko,, ay ate wag nating pansinin yang bill na yan,,, hahahhaa
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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2012, 11:39:32 am »
Our helpers may choose not to press us on the bill provisions (off days lang issue, IMO) -- but for sure, a new breed of syndicate people will be hovering to shake down amos.  Petty blackmail, but still, blackmail/shakedown. 

I have started to address the day-off issue.   Sabi ko sa house staff  meeting ko yesterday ---  I will get this girl (na  hot na hot to join my household) to work for us for 6 days, so everyone has a specific day  of the week off.  Basta Sunday -- everybody is on board, except that girl.  Sunday is the day  we are all at home kasi.  Wala nang 12th month off (they work for me for 11 months, on the 12th month -- off with pay & pamasahe & bonus).  5 days na lang after 12months with pay.

Reaction: Inis.  Walang natuwa.  Ok na daw yung 2 days off per month & the entire 12th month off with pay & pamasahe & bonus (iba pa 13th mo & Xmas bonus ha).
3 said: 5 days eh panona parang 4 days lang to get there & back here.  Pano na fiesta, school opening ng mga anak, etc etc
Yung based in MMla - said: Naku  eh di her family will wait  for her to clean the house, do laundry, do errands, make repairs -- etc etc and expect from her money weekly too.  Ka pagod daw weekly off, magastos.
1said, she goes to her cousin, wala sya house dito -- so more of her pay will go for food contribution  & pautang. 
Matigas my oldest staff: my cleaner-majordoma.  She said: Ma'am, ayoko. Basta ok ako kahit ano gusto mo. Basta tulad ng dati. Basta. 

I am in the process of scheduling too.  As in, not all my house staff will be on board by 6am.  Para may mag hugas after 6pm lols
Ayaw din nila. Sabi: ok lang kasi sanay kami magising maaga.
What was left unsaid is important: kasi by 11AM - tapos na, kumpulan for lunch & DVD/tv collective watch.
Takot sila with the new accounting, take home pay will be less -- wala nang windfall on the 12th month. 

But as per hubby -- do not risk it. uso hudasan! uso ingrato. 

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« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2012, 12:42:46 pm »
Another thing na hindi pa naisip ng mga poging congressmen and senators natin is yung mga yayas na tambay lang school ng mga alaga nila.  Daming ganito sa school ng mga kids ko, entire day walang ginagawa, mani-pedi lang, ligawan with the guards or malling to the max.  So pano na pagcount sa work hours nito?  Also pano those employers who work long hours or lives outside Metro Manila, yung tipong mga 6am pa lang umaalis na ng mga bahay nila then halos 9 or 10pm na nakakauwi?  Meaning bahala na mga anak nila kasi before they get home tapos na work hours ng mga yayas eh.  Lastly, yung mga helpers na naiiwan lang sa bahay the entire day.  Almost 100% of them naman doesn't do their chores when left on their own.  Mostly, text and babad sa tv lang ang mga yan.  So pano naman bilangan sa ganun?

Nakakainis kasi di nila naisip na di talaga pwedeng icompare sa office set-up ang house work.  Sa bahay talaga never ending ang mga gawain, big or small.  Tapos factor pa diyan yung bilis or bagal magtrabaho ng helper.  We once had a helper na laba lang umaabot ng halos half a day or yung halos 2 hours maglinis ng isang maliit na CR.  Not exaggerating but these do happened.  How can we quantify their work hours in these scenarios?  :P
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« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2012, 10:18:18 pm »
These guys in congress are trying to enact a 1st World law in a 3rd world setting, and precisely because of that, it just won't work. On the level of principle, there are still so many reasons why this household help bill should not be passed.

First, it is pro-elitist. Regulated and Higher waged help will be restricted only to the ultra rich. Second, it is anti-middle class because so many middleclass households barely making ends meet will eventually lose their help. Logically following the 2nd reason,it is also anti-poor, because with the middle-class clientelle gone, the 2 million help who are supposed to benefit may more likely find themselves out of a job. Only a very few will remain to very few ultra rich households. And even at that, human dignity may not be respected, since dignity is not measured by enforced and regulated benefits. It is how the employers treat their help according to their Christian calling as brothers and sisters to all people.

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« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2012, 12:34:29 am »
Watching gma 7 now. Kasambahay bill is being tackled
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Re: Kasambahay Bill
« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2012, 02:50:51 pm »
pano naman kaya yung mga times na text ng text at laging nagtetelebabad ang mga maid na kahit tinatawag mo na eh hindi pa maibaba ang fone... sana pwede din sila ireklamo no  >:(

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« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2012, 03:43:13 pm »
wala pa akong masyadong info regarding this bill pero after reading the posts here, parang kailangan ko na syang pagtuunan ng pansin ngayon... kahit pa may isa lang akong yaya, uwian sya (kapit bahay namin), she comes around 8am to attend to my 2 year old son while Im at the office, tapos uwi sya ng mga 7pm pagdating ko galing office. Breakfast, lunch and merienda sabahay sya kumakain, wala na syang ibang gagawin kung di alagaan ang anak ko... then monday to friday lang din sya, i give her 4000 plus i pay for her SSS. happy kami sa setup namin so far, sana nga di na lang ako qualified as "employer" ni yaya sa case namin... para as is na lang.

kasi parang sa tingin ko sa bill na ito, kakailanganin na ata ng bawat bahay na may kasambahay ng bundy clock eh.

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« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2012, 03:47:09 pm »
^lag yan na rin ng CCTV pata 9-6 eh todo work, we can check.  Shifting na lang helpers para somebody makes breakfast, then washes up after dinner.  Ka grrrrrr




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« Reply #69 on: September 18, 2012, 03:55:30 pm »
^ oo nga... eh di dapat may penalty din pag nahuling natutulog while working hours... naalala ko tuloy yung mga workers sa planta, parang ganun lang ang dating eh.

samantalang yung yaya ng anak ko, tulog din lagi pag tulog yung anak ko... Hehe! ano nga naman ang gagawin nya kung tulog yung babantayan nya.

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« Reply #70 on: September 18, 2012, 05:41:09 pm »
Kabado ako sa bill na ito. Why? Coz sooner or later if natuloy itong bill na ito siguradong may mabubuong "organization" or "agency" kung saan pwede silang dumulog ng reklamo.

Good for some HH who are really been treated bad by their amos, but VERY BAD sa mga HH na mapang-abuso, at buma-blackmail lang sa mga amo para kumita ng malaking pera.

Hindi rin iba yan sa mga employees na mahilig mag file ng kaso sa DOLE. Hindi rin iba yan sa mga BIR na naghahanap ng butas sa mga negosyante at hihingi ng "lagay".

Malas mo pa kapag ang humawak ng kaso ng HH mo eh ginagatasan ka pa at humihingi rin ng datung.

If ang turing ng bill na ito sa mga HH ay parang mga empleyado na, eh di i will just level my restrictions na parang nagoopisina ang HH ko.

1. Bawal cellphone during the said working hours.
2. Bawal TV during the said working hours.
3. Sumunod lang sa tamang breaktime.
4. Bawal manicure at pedicure during working hours.
5. Sila na ang sumagot ng food nila.
6. Ipaapasok ko na rin ang quality control, magpa medical muna sila, konting kati-kati sa katawan huwag nang tanggapin. Kapag hindi nakatapos ng High School hindi na qualified.
7. Productivity/ quality wise: kapag may makitang ipis,bawas 20 pesos sa sahod... kapag may makitang alikabok,bawas 10 pesos sa sahod... kapag may makitang daga,bawas 50 pesos sa sahod... kapag may sipon na nakita kay baby, bawas 20 pesos.

Papayag din kaya sila sa bill ko? hehe...

Ang isang HH, kapag pamilya na ang turing sa inyo at mahal ang trabaho nila hindi sila mahirap taasan ng sweldo, bigyan ng benefits at incentives.

Pero kapag ang isang HH ay pumasok sa pamilya niyo para abusuhin ang kabaitan mo, talong talo ka sa bill na ito.

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One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you...

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« Reply #71 on: September 18, 2012, 10:45:47 pm »
^tama ka about the shakedowns.   I anticipate the growth of related syndicates.  Hay buhay. 

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« Reply #72 on: September 19, 2012, 03:54:21 am »
ano ba naman tong bill na ito. pang-"may maipasa lang"

tanong ko lang kung may mga kasambahay ba sila sa bahay nila? parang wala kasi walang protection ang mga employers dito e. baka binabatukan na sila ng mga asawa nila who are managing their households pero dahil kasubuan na e di nila maiatras.

sa totoo lang napapaisip nga ako kung talaga bang may kasalanan yung ipinakulong nilang nambugbog ng kasambahay.

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« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2012, 10:21:32 am »
I too, shall never vote for these people that are passing it!
Just to get votes.. tsk, tsk, tsk..

I will not say anything yet to my hh but if she brings it up, I will sit down with her and tell her she can't use her celphone during "office hours". That alone should do it..!
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« Reply #74 on: September 19, 2012, 02:17:09 pm »
What if for example 4k ang salary ni HH per month, then based on my experience sa mga HH if pinayagan mo sila mag day-off (regular day-off) laging may extension ang mga day-off .

Biglang magpapaalam na mag day-off because of some reasons (may sakit ang anak o magulang, namatayan ng kamag-anak, kailangan puntahan ang kamag-anak sa ospital, piyesta, birthday etc.) which i categorize naman as "emergency day-off".

If may mga emergency day-off ang HH, should her salary of 4k ay babayaran pa rin ng buo?

Kasi ang mga HH namin kapag nag emergency day-off (aside from their regular day-off) buo parin ang salary.

Dapat siguro ang sahod nila if the Kasambahay Bill will push through is dapat arawan nalang?

I will divide nalang the 4k sa 30 days to get her daily wage rate then multiply nalang sa number of days na pinasok niya.

Baka next time yung village namin may "union na ng mga HH". Tapos magugulat nalang kami umi-istrike nalang sila tapos humihingi ng price hike everytime tumataas ang gasolina.
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« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2012, 02:33:48 pm »
Right to access educational opportunities
The kasambahay has the right to access opportunities and training to upgrade their skills and improve the serbices they provide to their employers

Maganda ang intention. BUT katulad din ba 'to with some companies na when you're asked to take some training eh "bonded" ka din. Lets say I send my cook to some cooking classes can I say "Cook, since I paid Php x,xxx amount for your training you'll have to stay with me for at least 6 mos. If not, you'll have to pay the amount i shelled out for your training"

Kasi if you say that parang violation siya on Art 143 (F). Eh ikaw as an employer you invested on training, dapat naman at least mapakinabangan mo yung ginastos mo sa kanya. Kung sa opisina nga nangyayari na after training AWOL na, what more pa in a regular household setting. Hindi 'to nalalayo sa mga maids na aalisan ka pagkakakuha ng bonus nila. lol

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« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2012, 03:53:25 pm »
If the HH is well trained already before i hired her, good for me. Hindi rin iba yan sa mga college graduate na para sila ma-hire ng isang opisina eh may mga skills and trainings na sila na na-acquire.

BUT, if my HH is seeking training opportunities at my expense tapos biglang maglalahong parang bula or perhaps bigla kang sasabihan na "ati, uuwi na po ako kasi buntis po ako", after mong gumastos for the said training eh kalokohan na yan.

Nangyari sa amin yan, yung boy namin inenroll namin sa driving school, we paid for his driver license. Pagkatapos gawing training vehicle ang sasakyan namin, lumipat na sa iba.
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« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2012, 08:35:28 pm »
Para sa akin ma epal naman masyado yung gumawa ng bill na to. Exaggerated masyado. Di kaya mas lalong lalaki ulo ng mga katulong nito at baka maging baliktad na ang mundo sila na ngayon ang mang utos sa mga amo. Paano naman yung mga helper na pumapatay ng mga amo? Yung mga amo na pinagnanakawan? Yung mga katulong na pagtalikod lang nang kanilang amo e sinasaktan yung mga bata? Kagaya nung last naming katulong. Hindi man lang marunong mag please at thank you. Tsaka pag Aryana, Princess and I at Walang Hanggan nakatutok na siya sa TV. Galit pa yung mga anak ko kasi hindi naman kami nanunood nun...Cartoon Network gusto nila panoorin.

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« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2012, 09:16:12 pm »
My concern is how much is enough for them? Magisa lang ako sa house. Ako na rin halos ang gumagawa ng household chores yun lang may araw na hindi ko kaya dahil I have work and school. I just need an assistant. So kung may kasambahay ako, usually umaga lang yung bulk ng work nya then the rest of her day is parang day-off nya na kasi wala na syang gagawin. And my rule, pwede unti untiin ang work sa ilang days basta matapos nya. I dont give deadlines. Ang laundry naman will take just once in every two weeks.

Hndi pwedeng walang house helper kasi ancestral house ito. My parents visit once in every year at yun nga may work ako at nagaaral din.
 
Mas maganda siguro kung ang bayad ay arawan, kasi mas justifiable yun sa mga helpers na halos wala naman na work sa bahay. It's just like paying the whole amount at least may kasama ka at may magbabantay ng house while we are out. Pano yung mga helpers na arawan ang hiring yung hindi stay-in.. Ano po ba ang provisions for that?

Ang HH bill is like for the employment/hiring protocols. If that's the case, dapat lahat ng hiring rules should apply like you would in an office or any formal job. No mobile phones, no TV, they should be careful of what they say to their boss (no more jokes, bondings, etc.) while on duty.

For me, I allow those to her kasi nga wala na sya gagawin the entire day. Kapamilya na ang turing ko sakanya kaya pano na yung boss-worker relationship. I think, this HH bill is kinda hilaw pa. Sabi nga nga ng mga tita ko, mas prinsesa pa ang helper ko kesa sa akin kasi may mga araw na wala sya halos ginagawa na-- yun lang magbukas at magsara ng gate.  ;)

Any suggestions please? I appreciate your help for this matter pa PM nalang po  ;)


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« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2012, 11:46:27 am »
^halos lahat tayo sis naguguluhan din kung paano ii-implement itong bill na ito.


 

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