Facebook post, libel case ba toh?

[chicafabulosa]

2nd time na kase nangyari sakin ito saken sis, but same lang ang gumawa. And he was an ex bf by the way, so kinausap na lang sya ng mga guy friends ko para tapos na. Pero 2nd time that happened mas grabe na mga post na lumabas, pati mga friends ko abroad and clients ko nakita so hindi na talaga ko nag dalawang isip na idemanda sya. Buti na lang may pinsan ako na judge kaya sya nag ayos ng letter.

Yah I agree with sis guilleanne, mahirap na mapatunayan na sya yung gumawa nun. Her alibi would be Identity Theft. As for the tracing ng IP address, you need a subpoena sa internet provider for them to reveal kanina nakapangalan yung IP na yun. But since IP can be the same with other people, it would be very hard for them to identify it. As an IT Fraud/ Computer forensic, I noticed Philippines have dynamic IP address. Let me explain what that means:

Home computers, by default, are set to get their private IP address dynamically from your gateway device (router), via dhcp, In other words, the router supplies a private IP address for your computer to use, temporarily (your router is probably doing NAT, too, and needs your computer to have an IP address, so it knows where to send your data packets). However, dhcp is not an ideal setup; if there is any interruption in the computer's network connexion to the router (you reboot your PC, for instance), a completely new IP address may be assigned.

So mas mahirap for us to trace it talaga. Ako nga before sa isang forum napagbintangan ako na nagcreate ng another profile and unfortunately yung nauna is super pasaway nila. So ayun inaway away ako sa forum ng wala akong kaalam alam. Hope this explanation helps

[tine729]

naku I have an experience with FB din, pero di naman umabot sa pag sue, but it's so degrading, I posted on her wall just a quote for her kasi she posts so much DRAMA on FB everytime about her BF na friend ko, since her BF asked for help, I gave her a quote that I thought would enlighten her, kaso bisnastos nya ko, we had a confrontation on her wall about it, but I tried to be as calm as I can so I just answered in a very polite way and still trying to tell her that I didn't mean anything wrong. Aba tawagin ba naman akong Nosy at social climber, she even screen captured our conversation and posted it and that I'm a STUCK UP  B*TCH daw since di na ako nakasagot sa conversation sa wall nya kasi binlock na nya ako, but my hubby is still her friend kaya I can still see her profile, and the worse is that she said " DAPAT SA MGA TAONG TO PINAPASALVAGE" and it was like WTF! she threatened me! pero di ko na lang pinatulan, hanggang ngayon na HHB pa din ako pag naaalala ko yun!

[orangetag]

As far as I know, wala pa nakukulong sa ganyan. Yung mga celebrities nga and sikat na personalities hirap ma-prove yung libel when someone wrote something bad against them. Just keep your cool, wag mo pansisnin (though i know it's easier said than done).

[imyourangel]

^AH, right... it's hard to keep cool lalo na kasi nakakadamay din ng iba. Like my friend... grabeng paninira kasi sa kanya nung fake fb niya. Dami na nakakabasa ng mga posts dun at syempre hindi maiwasang may ibang maniniwala.. pero still dapat ignore pa din.. kasi diba if you're not doing anything wrong naman, walang dapat ikatakot.

[miss parker]

hay problemko din yan ngayon sisses.. grabe lahat na yata ng lait and mura sa dictionary na receive ko na from her.
she also made threats against me like "let's just wait and see" and "you don't know what im capable of", and that she knows kung saan daw tindahan ko.

matapang kasi mayaman "daw" sya. ako wala daw ako pera at mapalamon sa pamilya ko, hay grabeng stress inaabot ko because of this person, i cant sleep well, i cant even go to my store because of fear for my safety.
kasi nagpapunta pa sya ng tao nya sa tindahan ko, kaya lalo ako natakot.

i posted kasi na may reports ako na rereceive that she's claiming to be connected to me, (eh meron din naman kasi talaga nagconfirm that she's doing it eh) so i cleared lang na hindi kame connected. pagkapost ko nyan
hala inatake na nya ako kasama pa friends nya. So to avoid further trouble, I made another post to clear her name, then made a public apology, pero
ayan pa din sya di pa din tumigil.

she's so violent sa way of speaking nya and super tapang talaga. at sya pa ang may ganang mag demand na itigil ko daw yung paninira, eh hello nag apologize nako, and after apologizing wala nako posts about her. yet sya sige pa din, hindi ko na nga pinatulan kasi nonsense naman na and
waste of time lang. madami ako ginagawa para intindihin pa yung ganon.

pero etong malupet ha, sya pa yung may ganang magpadala ng letter from a lawyer asking me to stop daw ang paninira..
i just told her lawyers na mag meet nalang para maayos na.

haay bakit kaya may mga tao na grabe kung makapag salita sa iba, siguro if words can kill baka ilang beses nako namatay at nabuhay at namatay ulit.. sad talaga

[mrs.potatohead]

ako iba naman itatanong ko pero since usapang facebook ito,baka pwede dito ko na lang ilagay..anong gagawin niyo kung nag post kayo sa facebook ng tungkol sa isang tao na nainis kayo,di niyo naman sinabi yung pangalan niya..tapos may ibang tao na malapit sa inyo ang biglang nag react..hindi siya nag comment sa post pero nag post sa facebook wall niya ng kung ano-ano,na medyo parang patungkol sayo..magagalit ba kayo or may chance ba na pwede niyo siya tanungin kung sino yon?..ang nangyari kasi nag post ako tungkol sa ugali ng kakilala ko super nainis kasi ako..

tawagin nating B1 si friend na pinaparinggan...at si B2 yung  epal na facebook friend na akala siya yung pinaringgan..

Si B2 ang dami post sa facebook kung ano-ano na galit na galit..nakalimutan ko kasi na magka ugali pala si B1 at B2 kahit di sila magkakilala..kaya ayan ang tinamaan si B2..

gusto ko siya ask sana kung sino yung kaaway niya sa facebook,ayaw ko lang mag react kasi gusto ko sila ang mauna magtanong sa akin kung sinong pinaparinggan ko para mapahiya siya..feeling niya kasi siya na agad..naglagay ka lang ng kahit ano,tablado agad..kung mag post naman ako wa wall ko wala naman siguro pakialaman..hanggang di naka tag yung name mo wag ka mag react..kung di naman tayo magka away at may nilagay ako wag ka mag react..naiinis tuloy ako ngayon..

[guilleanne]

OT. pero wag maghanap ng away sa facebook. Golden rule lang yan, don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.

[jojo2978]

Trust your lawyer sis, otherwise, kung wala ka tiwala terminate his services.  If ever di pumasok ng libel which is a criminal case, you have further recourse, papasok at papasok sa civil case yan and you can ask for damages.  Iba iba diskarte ng lawyer on how to fight or defend the rights of their clients.  You may ask 5 lawyers, you may get 5 general answers pertaining to the issue but the ultimate goal of each one of them if to redress a wrong or protect your right.  God bless.

[brattinella]

Art. 355. Libel means by writings or similar means. — A libel committed by means of writing, printing, lithography, engraving, radio, phonograph, painting, theatrical exhibition, cinematographic exhibition, or any similar means, shall be punished by prision correccional in its minimum and medium periods or a fine ranging from 200 to 6,000 pesos, or both, in addition to the civil action which may be brought by the offended party.


** anything in facebook is written & is online (so it's public too even if it is limited to your friends)
** a statement is libelous if it sent to at least 2, or read by at least 2 persons or any third party
** cut & paste, repost, hyperlink, sharing -- can be considered libel

[imyourangel]

I deleted my facebook because of issues from the pictures that I have uploaded. Made a new one instead, na hindi ko na nilalagyan ng kahit ano. Just to keep "updated" with the peeps lang. Minsan parang I want to give up FB totally na lang e.

[poetrytoprose]

no libels for social networking posts. what you can do though is to block the person or report the person as bully.

[tashasabs]

@mrs.potatohead Hello sis! Nakakarelate naman ako sa iyo, hehe. Kapag ganyan pwede mo tanungin. Problem is kapag ang intindi nung tao pino-provoke mo siya o "nananadya" ka. Pwedeng magkasagutan kayo (depende saan mo siya tinanong, kung sa chat/PM/personal) and/or pwede rin na lalo pa siyang mag-post ng mga status na para bang mas patungkol sa 'yo. Depende na lang sa perception mo. Ako dati pumapatol ako sa ganyan, nagpaparinig din ako. (I know. Immature ko noon. Sorry, hihi.) Pero ngayon dedma na lang kahit minsan naiinis ako. Or I find a close confidante at doon ako tumatalak. Minsan sa asawa ko naman. Hehe. Nakaka-drain kasi yung makipagtalo sa ganyan, pinagsawaan ko na kasi. 

If it will give you some peace, maybe you can confront the person and ask nicely. Just be polite. Kung awayin ka, huwag mo na patulan para kung sakaling magsimula siya ng away, at least you know sa sarili mo na nagtanong ka lang naman. At kung matapang siya aminin na ikaw nga yung pinaparinggan niya at naapektuhan kasi siya sa post mo, then it's a chance for her to clear things up. 

[muriel1]

i have been a victim of facebook bashing as well. the culprit is a former subordinate in our company. before he resigned, i blocked him on fb because i was getting annoyed of his posts sa wall niya and sa wall ko. nothing about me naman, basta yucky lang na maassociate sa kanya kasi di na maganda mga pinupost niya despite of me telling him about it. anyway, after i blocked him, ayun na, nagsimula na siya nagpupupost ng kung [textspeak!] ano na below the belt sa fb wall niya. months have passed wala ako kamalay malay, ganun na pala kagrabe mga attacks niya. eventually one common friend told me na kasi di na daw niya masikmura. he did not disclose my name but anyone who knows both of us eh malalaman na ako ang object ng mga attacks nya along with my other colleagues sa work. eventually, our common friend reached out to our hr manager kasi nga naaawa na sya for me kasi nakikita na nya na super nadedepress na ako. the hr manager talked to him, but of course he denied everything saying na di daw ako yun and kasi di nga daw niya alam kung ano nangyari samin kesyo close daw kami dati, etc, etc. he even cried pa. pero right there and then nagpupost na naman siya ng mga foul stuff about me and my colleagues. he calls me by a monicker na alam ng buong organization namin na ako yun kasi even before they call me that kasi i resemble daw this artista. so yun, i wont go into the details kasi sobrang nakakapanghina. tapos after the negative attacks on fb, bigla sya gumawa ng isang album na puro pictures ko tapos nasa description eh puro praises na people would know na sarcastic pati pag nabasa mo na ang comments alam ng readers na he posted it to mock me. he eventually resigned and yes, hanggang ngayon, after a year of separting from the company eh nagpupost pa rin siya ng kung [textspeak!] ano. i initially wanted to file a cse or whatever kaso i didnt know how to proceed kasi medyo gray area pa ang cyberbullying and i don't know kung pwedeng libel ito. i eventually learned na lang to not mind it but i hold a position dito sa company namin and syempre i can't help but feel bad especially knowing that nababasa yun ng mga tao ko and i can't assure naman na everyone would not believe him despite nga na wala na masyado pumapansi sa mga posts nya kundi mga so called friends nya na nandito pa rin sa organziation namin. tapos dahil wala na masyado pumapansin sa wall nya, kahit sinong taga comopany namin, nagcucomment sya tapos sabay pahaging na naman about us. basta he thrives on every employee's rant posts. minsan nakakatawa na nga kasi sasabihan sya na, no this is not from the office. just today, may nagsumbong na naman samin at nagpadala ng screenshot ng mga posts nya sa wall nya at sa wall ng friends nya saying foul things about us. i know what he wants is my attention and patulan ko siya which to be fair with me kaya galit na galit sya up to now is never ko binigay sa kanya ang satisfaction kahit na sobrang nakakagalit na siya. sabi nga ng friends ko, para syang girlfriend na iniwan na lang basta basta kaya siguro galit na galit. lol. anyway, though we are just taking this lightly, i still want him to stop. is there a way that is legal for him to stop and on what grounds? by the way, he is gay, and one that is proud of his promiscuous acts, there was even one time he showed his self made pornography videos to us in the office from his phone. so medyo come to think of it, medyo wala talaga siya pakialam kung ano damage sa reputation nya , more so sa reputation ng ibang tao na sinisira niya. hay. kakastress.

[chicafabulosa]

no libels for social networking posts. what you can do though is to block the person or report the person as bully.

yes you can be sued for libel sa facebook. like what bratinella said anything that is written... just screenshot it, then boom! its an evidence na agad and you can be sued for that,. Please refer to the article about when to consider our facebooking a libelous

Here are my discussions before my Media Laws & Ethics classes at the USJR on why posts and messages in Facebook may be considered libelous:

It’s legal basis:

    Anything on Facebook is in writing (Art. 355—Libel means by writing and similar means)
    Facebook is online– therefore it’s “public”. (Art. 355– “any similar means”)
    If the shoutout and other statements on Facebook is a malicious imputation (Art. 353– cause “dishonor”…)
    If the subject of the imputation is named (Elements of libel–”specific”)
    If the statement stays for a while and not removed even the attention of the doer is called– (Elements of libel– “repetitive”)

Privacy of “shout-outs” and other statements on it:

    “Shout-outs” are addressed to “network of friends” (However, 2 or 3 persons reading it or a third party reading it has already met the requirement of publication of libel.)
    “Pages” on Facebook are not private

Important points to remember in “Facebooking”:

    Sending a libelous statement to 2 to 3 people meet the standard for publication in libel.
    Republishing a libelous statement by “cut and paste” is also a libel.
    Creating a hyperlink to a libelous statement is also libel.
    Facebook is not liable for libelous statement.
        (The Electronic Commerce Law (Republic Act 8792) states that a service provider is not liable as long as long as it “does not have actual knowledge, or is not aware of the facts and circumstances” from which unlawful material is published, distributed or disseminated. “Therefore, the only way to hold them liable is when you ask them to take it down. And when they refuse to take it down, then it appears that they agree with the statement,”

http://juntariman.wordpress.com/masscom-class/mymasscom-class/mc-8-media-laws-ethics/avoiding-libel-on-facebook/

@muriel - please refer to the article above. I am sure pasok na pasok sa libel case ang sinasabi mo na ex officemate mo. Hope this helps

[Margaritabythebeach]

pano po pag tinawag kang mandurugas, sinungaling, swapang, mapamagsamantala, masamang damo, walang kunsensya, mapunta sa imyerno, lamunin ka ng lupa at mang gagamit to name a few sa facebook! and mga salitang nag iimply na immoral, not a good mother, not a good family, etc..

at sinabi papala nya na wala daw kaming diyos kasi were mormons.

magkapitbahay kami at meron kaming issue sa pader na inayos na sa barangay namin and sabi nga sa barangay na sila yung mali so gigil na gigil sya.

hindi naman ako pala patol na tao kaso ang mommy ko ang pinapatungkulan ng mga fb post nya so syempre it hurts you know! hehe..

pwede po ba tong libel?

Hi guilleanne,
How's your case na? The same thing happened to me. Siniraan din ako sa Facebook. I consulted a lawyer who was very candid enough (kasi di siya mukang pera) to tell me na young libelous comments in FB will not go anywhere (specially if walang name) because wala pang Bill on Cyber crimes/cyber bullying. What I did was to ask my friends and and our  common friends to report him and to report his post to FB as bullying. Eventually, FB took down his account. I also confronted him face to face and I told him if he doesn't stop antagonizing me, lalapit ako sa Women's desk and file VAWC for psychological and emotional abuse. Syempre bluff lang yun. Bully kasi eh, parang nakakainis na wag patulan. ang napansin ko sa Bully mentality if they don't get confronted, they will not stop.

[guilleanne]

hindi naman nauwi sa case sis kasi nag sorry naman na.

[Margaritabythebeach]

hindi naman nauwi sa case sis kasi nag sorry naman na.

I admire you, parang nap aka calm and collected mo, despite what happened. :-)
I'm glad this is over now.

[dunkintaba]

good day mga sissess.ask ko lang kung totoo bang [textspeak!] conversation sa celpon.[textspeak!] lang.sa prepaid.
eh makakakuha dw ng copy sa mga smart or globe cmpany.yn [textspeak!] pinapanakot nung asawa ng friend namin.dhil nagagalit sya.[textspeak!] dw kami ng [textspeak!] sa asawa nya.?salamat sa my sasagot..

[february24]

libelous din ba kung gumawa ako ng fake acount para sirain ang kabit ng asawa ko?  sobra na kasi panggigigil ko sa babae.  thanks po

[fairywinkle79122]

Kung may nakaaway ka sa facebook thru PM lang kayo nag usap,tapos nagsabi ka ng masasama pero di ka naman nagmura,sinabi bastos ka,walang modo,abnormal,pwede mo ba idemanda yung kausap mo?


Paano naman kung itong kaaway mo,pinost sa facebook yung away niyo thru PM,parang ang lalabs sisiraan ka na niya nun eh,may laban ka naman kaya?pasaway kasi itong fb friend ko mukhang may nakaaway.